Maybe a reson to vote Dem.

[Abernathy]

Abernathy,

2. Considering your concept of it being acceptable at this stage (12 weeks) what discernible point is reached in the third trimester which you suddenly consider this unacceptable?

I responded directly to this question a few posts up. Read it.

 

[FishandFly]

I responded directly to this question a few posts up. Read it.

Abernathy:

I see it now:

Though no one knows exactly what it's like to be a 2nd trimester baby, I'm convinced that they're not conscious of the environment around them.

If you watch the video of the first trimester child:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzSiAPXTiQ&feature=related

Why is the baby attempting to get away from the medical instruments and vacuum?

The child is freaking out and the heart rate is is skyrocketing to about 200 bpm.

Watch the video man.

 

[acaTerry]

Abernathy, why are you running from it? Afraid of what you'll see? I saw things that when i was younger I didn't think twice about, but now with an adult's mind I see differently. Quit running and look at the reality. The ostrich reflex doesn't change a thing.

 

[Abernathy]

Abernathy:

I see it now:

Though no one knows exactly what it's like to be a 2nd trimester baby, I'm convinced that they're not conscious of the environment around them.

If you watch the video of the first trimester child:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzSiAPXTiQ&feature=related

Why is the baby attempting to get away from the medical instruments and vacuum?

The child is freaking out and the heart rate is is skyrocketing to about 200 bpm.

Watch the video man.

I haven't looked into abortion much since college. I see what your point is now.

It does look alarming seeing it now a few years later, and after watching the video now, I'm interested enough to look further into it.

 

[Abernathy]

Abernathy, why are you running from it? Afraid of what you'll see? I saw things that when i was younger I didn't think twice about, but now with an adult's mind I see differently. Quit running and look at the reality. The ostrich reflex doesn't change a thing.

How many times do I have to say this. I've seen the damned video. I just saw it a long time ago and my memory of it has since faded. But I just flipped through the meat of it again.

 

[PCL_128]

I haven't looked into abortion much since college. I see what your point is now.

It does look alarming seeing it now a few years later, and after watching the video now, I'm interested enough to look further into it.

Good man! See far-righties? This is how intelligent people respond to new information, rather than the Bush method of refusing to consider anything that goes against their preconceived notions.

 

[FishandFly]

College is probably the reason why so many people have views like that. Jackass professors want to discuss abortion? Why not give a first hand view of an abortion to the students instead of their BS opinions that are based on convenience and not fact.

We've had 3d ultrasounds available for years. Why aren't their videos in 3d showing the child's facial expressions as their limbs are ripped off their body.

 

[Abernathy]

This mentality must be very similar to the acceptance jihadists have taken of cutting off a person's head. You must have to numb the mind and heart a great deal to reach that point.

The irony. Are you a believer in capital punishment? Do you put more value on the life of an unborn fetus than you do a full conscious and grown person?

There have been many cases of people (college students, even) undergoing studies of samples of death row inmates. An alarming number were found to be innocent after close inspection.

How many people do you think have been unjustly executed? I think that's sicker. Yet it's easy to turn a blind eye to that in the name of "justice"...

 

[acaTerry]

Abernathy, I hope you look into it with the heart and eyes of a human being who is lucky to have not had someone else decide that your very existence was such an inconvenience that it was worth killing you over. To me it's as bad as the robber who decides that the $40 in your wallet is worth killing you for.
Again I'll remind you most prolifers prefer life imprisonment (LIFE meaning LIFE) than death penalty. Even though the number of women who are killed in abortion clinics by their "doctors" each year far supersedes the number of death row executions of innocent people through the entire US history.

 

[PCL_128]

The irony. Are you a believer in capital punishment? Do you put more value on the life of an unborn fetus than you do a full conscious and grown person?

There have been many cases of people (college students, even) undergoing studies of samples of death row inmates. An alarming number were found to be innocent after close inspection.

How many people do you think have been unjustly executed? I think that's sicker. Yet it's easy to turn a blind eye to that in the name of "justice"...

I only support capital punishment when overwhelming DNA evidence is available.

 

[FishandFly]

Quite frankly Abernathy, I think that your use of capitol punishment is quite a cop out.

In 2007 41 people were executed

In 2007 1,400,000 people were aborted.

 

[Abernathy]

I only support capital punishment when overwhelming DNA evidence is available.

I don't have a problem with the actual concept of capital punishment. I know if one of my loved ones were murdered, I would want the perpetrator dead.

That said, I'd be for capital punishment in a perfect system. Perfect meaning-- non imperfect. I stress that point because our system is inherently flawed because, among other things, it relies on things like juries, the members of which are emotional beings; eyewitness testimony (subject to corruption, misinformation, etc.); and biases. The way a suspect even "looks" can have an effect on a jury. (does he look guilty?)--these flaws have put a huge number of innocent candidates on death row. Many of whom, in the past, have been executed.

Our system has not in the past relied on "overwhelming DNA evidence" unfortunately. I wish it did. The DNA testing is still something relatively new.

I think the system is changing. We'll see how it pans out in the future.

 

[Abernathy]

College is probably the reason why so many people have views like that. Jackass professors want to discuss abortion? Why not give a first hand view of an abortion to the students instead of their BS opinions that are based on convenience and not fact.

We've had 3d ultrasounds available for years. Why aren't their videos in 3d showing the child's facial expressions as their limbs are ripped off their body.

I never had a "jackass" professor ever discuss his/her views on abortion. Sorry to dissappoint you. You shouldn't have a problem with education.

 

[FishandFly]

It's not that I have a problem with education by definition, but rather that I have a problem with "educated people" not realizing or taking the time to really understand that it is wrong to kill a 12 week old child.

 

[Abernathy]

It's not that I have a problem with education by definition, but rather that I have a problem with "educated people" not realizing or taking the time to really understand that it is wrong to kill a 12 week old child.

gotcha.