Luthi as leader

[BentOver]

Is that why we have had a bit more participation from some EBoard on the furloughed msg board the last 2-3 days?( I don't know who was ousted or who was up for election or anything like that)

Maybe trying to get some last minute words in before leaving office?

 

[imacdog]

Good to see some of the old guard getting the boot.

 

[Hawkered]

Mark Luthi has just gone and thrown ALL of his loyal team under the bus by not having a recall election in accordance with the bylaws!!

Way to go "leader"!!

What is the "President's" Perspective looking like now?

 

[Hawkered]

Luthi's boys took an old-fashioned beating today. It's only a matter of time before he receives the same. The pilots are cleaning house. It's about damned time.

Yep and more to come from what I hear!

 

[rajflyboy]

Many of you need to look at this mess in more detail.

Its all about Section 6 negotiations start next year.

That's what important.

 

[rajflyboy]

Good to see some of the old guard getting the boot.

Old guard/new guard

They are all still part of the same clique

Won't matter in the end.

 

[rajflyboy]

Remember

Its all about the 51 percent majority.

 

[Praetorian]

Hey congradulations! Now you can take a neophyte union leadership into negotiations next year.

Big win for your management. Big loss for the NJ pilots and fractional industry pilots in general.

Just like Walker said. "Devide and conquour.".

 

[fly4funcrj]

Negotiations? HA. The company has already changed our contract and our union leadership sat there and let it happen (and we weren't even in negotiations). The union has been too afraid to send anything to arbitration so instead we just take it. Besides, just because leadership has had a shake up doesn't mean the negotiations team has changed..

And regardless of the pro or anti luthi stance, I think most pilots will join together if/when the time comes. Do you think if this country was invaded, the democrats and republicans would split, or join forces and obliterate the invaders?

 

[rajflyboy]

Negotiations? HA. The company has already changed our contract and our union leadership sat there and let it happen (and we weren't even in negotiations). The union has been too afraid to send anything to arbitration so instead we just take it. Besides, just because leadership has had a shake up doesn't mean the negotiations team has changed..

And regardless of the pro or anti luthi stance, I think most pilots will join together if/when the time comes. Do you think if this country was invaded, the democrats and republicans would split, or join forces and obliterate the invaders?

I agree with you on the union letting some things in the current contract go but when you have a pilot group afraid of a picket what do you expect?

51 % is what they need to get what they want. They already have 10 percent of the vote locked up. It comes down to 41% of the group. Who will cave???

 

[squonk]

Hey congradulations! Now you can take a neophyte union leadership into negotiations next year.

Big win for your management. Big loss for the NJ pilots and fractional industry pilots in general.

Just like Walker said. "Devide and conquour.".

They threw the baby out with the bathwater...

Corks were popping all over Bridegeway. Myopia anyone?

 

[rajflyboy]

Bottom line is this

Luthi will be a good guy to have in the bullpen for a needed day during negotiations.

 

[CE750Driver]

Bottom line is this

Luthi will be a good guy to have in the bullpen for a needed day during negotiations.

I disagree. Mark has one mode. Arrogant bull in china shop.

That is great when you hold all the cards, but not so much when you need nuance and actual negotiation skills. His presence would be akin to having a skin rash for both sides, while doing actual negotiations.

 

[fly4funcrj]

One question... Where is Luthi?

 

[rajflyboy]

One question... Where is Luthi?

Good question.

You need someone to fight the fight. You don't need a pushover Sissy in charge of the union.

 

[rajflyboy]

I disagree. Mark has one mode. Arrogant bull in china shop.

That is great when you hold all the cards, but not so much when you need nuance and actual negotiation skills. His presence would be akin to having a skin rash for both sides, while doing actual negotiations.

M. L. Was a big part of the 05 contract. How soon you forget.

 

[OPECJet]

He's also a big part of kicking us off the internal message board and providing little to no guidance on bidding the LTLOA. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind he wrote us off before we even left the property.

 

[CE750Driver]

M. L. Was a big part of the 05 contract. How soon you forget.

What? You mean the one that the company came back in 07 when they didnt have too, to give us more. Yeah, he did great in 05!

How soon you forget. Or, you never got it in the first place.

 

[fly4funcrj]

And just because he made a good (subject to opinion) negotiator, doesn't make him a leader..

 

[BentOver]

What? You mean the one that the company came back in 07 when they didnt have too, to give us more. Yeah, he did great in 05!

How soon you forget. Or, you never got it in the first place.

Yeah no kidding!! All I see in the '05 contract is the senior guys getting rewarded and anybody not on property getting hosed...

If it was soooo good why the heck was the company even willing to up the anti?? Because it sucked so bad for the new guys they were quitting....

Luthi has proven who he looks out for alright...