JetBlue PVC has voted to give away flying!

[aewanabe]

Au contraire, the rumors of feed out of San Juan are rampant around here. Sadly, Executive ATRs would fit way too neatly in the PVC's "Vision" of outsourced flying (sigh)....

 

[Flyby1206]

Does anyone know what airline will provide the lift on the 78 seat or less aircraft and what type of aircraft will be used?

Is it just speculation that it will be AE with ATR's or is there a basis for that statement?

The E175 has a single-class 32" pitch cabin layout with 78 seats. That would be my guess.

http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/img//download/137.pdf

 

[BeachBummer]

Au contraire, the rumors of feed out of San Juan are rampant around here. Sadly, Executive ATRs would fit way too neatly in the PVC's "Vision" of outsourced flying (sigh)....

I'm hoping for the Alaska/Horizon/Blue trifecta. If we had to... Personally I'm hoping for the "organic" growth. Planning for less than "organic" growth.

 

[Longhorn]

Well?

 

[BeachBummer]

Well?

"these documents will be ready for distribution by the end of march for pilot review." JB flt ops.

what what what?!? documents not here yet?

Translation: whenever we get around to sending the email that has this information, on a forward looking basis we really don't care what we said before...

the last road show in in may so I'd expect something to come out in july. your new pea will need to be signed in june though. "We need to pass this bill, then we can figure out whats in it!"Nancy P.

 

[Longhorn]

Documents came out last night. Check your email.

 

[BeachBummer]

BLAST! I havn't looked in4 days

 

[RiddleEagle18]

anyone care to give a rundown to those awaiting class dates? It would hold some weight in my decision.


PM me if you dont want to post it.

 

[BeachBummer]

I'm no lawyer, but I can't see any difference from the new stuff and what we've got now. Other than when they farm out flying they can say that we agreed to it.

sooooo, yea...

 

[B6Busdriver]

Paging Blue Bayou....what say you???

 

[Splert]

I'm no lawyer, but I can't see any difference from the new stuff and what we've got now. Other than when they farm out flying they can say that we agreed to it.

sooooo, yea...

Exactly!

 

[Rerouted]

This has Brother Bryan K Bedford (all kneel and say amen) written all over it. If there's anything behind this, I'm betting RAH is the partner. Then again, there are all sorts of AMR rumors floating around. Eh, it's got to be one or the other.

 

[Pilotbob3]

Blue Bayou...Are you ready to fill out that Interest card now? I'll mail in your Interest Card if you like!

 

[BeachBummer]

Ah, and for the record. The PVC voted 0-7 against these documents.

 

[Splert]

Ah, and for the record. The PVC voted 0-7 against these documents.

Not true.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Ah, and for the record. The PVC voted 0-7 against these documents.

What record? If that was the case there would not be the 4 'horsemen' out there at the road show selling this shiite to the pilots...I know 3 are vehemently opposed to this dogshiite....

 

[Lake Alice]

Specifically Grasely, Yoder, Scott and Israel voted in favor of the 5 documents, some without seeing the actual document. The remaining 3 members abstained.

 

[BeachBummer]

I stand corrected. Found this on the b6 board.

The Company asked Kevin Fitzpatrick to draft the base language for all the documents which in turn were passed back and forth between PVC and the ELT for editing.

The PVC voted 7-0 to reject the documents on the original Jan 28th dead line and again (7-0) when presented with ELT’s final offer on Feb 4th. On March 1-2 the PVC was asked to meet with ELT to further modify the documents in order to reach an agreement on the language. On March 2nd the PVC agreed to the documents by a vote of 4-0-3 contingent on concepts introduced that evening being included in the language (Scott, Israel, Grasley, Yoder voted YES and Cates, Cooper, Tarvin ABSTAINED).

This vote occurred prior to seeing the language in writing - the reason I abstained. The secondary reason is a few MAJOR items were conceded by the PVC in order to reach the verbal agreement. One of the items was the ability to act together to enforce contract violations.

The PVC and ELT now disagree on what that verbal agreement was. The final version, provided by the ELT on Tuesday, March 22nd, which failed to correctly incorporate the verbal changes and now indicates the conceded items as "agreed to", was unanimously rejected by the PVC. Following ELT’s release of the documents the PVC will likely meet to create a communication package which will include the following:

- Language proposed by the PVC which was ultimately rejected by management
- The PVC's opinion on why the proposed language is needed by the individual pilot
- A legal analysis from Kevin Fitzpatrick of all five documents as they compare to industry norms
- Possibly a second, independant, legal analysis of our entire legal structure as compared to the industry
(if the PVC is able to obtain funding from Management)


BC

 

[BeachBummer]

I obviously miss recalled what I read... Man I could work in FLTOPS!!
Sorry for the missrecalection.

 

[Smarta$$]

Is that e. Scott on the PVC?