JetBlue PVC has voted to give away flying!

[Lake Alice]

Is going from zero protection to a 10% limit not an improvement?

No. The documents will show not only the 10% domestic code share but add to that Jetblues ability to act as a holding company. This little nugget allows them to purchase another airline operating them independently.

Add to this the DRM which is the single most important issue yoder, scott, grasely and israel gave away. Without the ability to collectively bring a grievance every other issue is moot.

 

[StarChecker]

Is going from zero protection to a 10% limit not an improvement?

Says the battered wife...

"At least he used an open hand last night...."


Garbage on top of garbage is twice the garbage.

 

[instructordude]

If codeshare brings in more pax that connect on the mainline, then who cares....especially if it makes the company more money. GMAFB.

 

[Beantown]

No. The documents will show not only the 10% domestic code share but add to that Jetblues ability to act as a holding company. This little nugget allows them to purchase another airline operating them independently.

What again is stopping JB from setting up a holding company tomorrow? This document isn't allowing JB to do anything (that they can't do today), and is adding some limited protections for the JB pilots.

That said, it is a sad day for JB, as the company has for ever (last week to my face from a high level exc) said they have no interest in having anyone but JB pilots flying your tail and that is obviously bogus.

Unfortunally there is nothing were going to do about it if that's what mgmt wants. Those that think voting in ALPA will change that are idiots. (and i'm pro ALPA)

 

[BeachBummer]

 

[Splert]

Is going from zero protection to a 10% limit not an improvement?

Not when the limitation is a grant from Jetblue to the PVC which can be revoked at anytime.

The PVC is created and granted certain rights from JetBlue and are recorded in the Values Committee Charter. Charters are unenforceable and can be revoked by the grantor at anytime and for any reason.

A Charter is not a CBA.

The Scope agreement is between the Company and the PVC which is granted its right to exist though a charter.

This work around is not enforceable.

It is a ruse and you are are falling for it.

 

[ultrarunner]

Hopefully after the documents are made public we can get on with the ALPA Drive.

Or even better...lets get on with it now.

Please....

Where does your ALPA drive stand? I'd have thought a vote by now. Not enough 'yes' cards, or something else?

 

[Longhorn]

Almost there. Patience!! I would say if I am a betting man that the vote will be triggered within the next 30 days if not much sooner.

 

[jayme]

I wouldn't try this next move without a union contract in place, but IF ALPA passes...

Could you try to negotiate an agreement whereby any codeshare/outsourcing will be flown by pilots on the JetBlue seniority list. Doesn't mean you need to set up your own turbo-prop operation, as that would be very expensive. But if Cape Air (for example) wants to provide feed to JetBlue in the Caribbean, have JetBlue hire the pilots, put them on the master seniority list, and let them operate those 402s or ATRs, with some sort of seat lock to keep training costs down. No whipsaw, and JetBlue gets their feed.

 

[JetFumes]

If codeshare brings in more pax that connect on the mainline, then who cares....especially if it makes the company more money. GMAFB.

This guy is good. Master Flaimbait man!

 

[Lake Alice]

What again is stopping JB from setting up a holding company tomorrow? This document isn't allowing JB to do anything (that they can't do today), and is adding some limited protections for the JB pilots.

That said, it is a sad day for JB, as the company has for ever (last week to my face from a high level exc) said they have no interest in having anyone but JB pilots flying your tail and that is obviously bogus.

Unfortunally there is nothing were going to do about it if that's what mgmt wants. Those that think voting in ALPA will change that are idiots. (and i'm pro ALPA)

Absolutely nothing.

Four of the five documents approved by Yoder, Scott, Israel and Grasely are not incorporated or contingent on our PEA's which makes everything going on that more curious. Ultimately having the PVC "approve" these documents gives Jetblues actions credibility.

I disagree with your last statement however. Voting in ALPA and negotiating the terms, incorporating them into a CBA and having the ability to enforce the collective terms means everything. These documents will be forced on us whether we like it or not so our post CBA lives will be spent correcting the wrongs of our past. This option is still better than our current path.

 

[Splert]

The PVC giving consent is powerful if you believe in Culture.

Without it JetBlue would be just like every other operator.

Which of course JetBlue is but the the longer the myth survives the more value the DR returns to JetBlue.

"Keep the myth alive".

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

How you guys going to spend that big profit sharing payout?

 

[johnsonrod]

Is going from zero protection to a 10% limit not an improvement?

Sounds like old-school thinking...

 

[Longhorn]

How you guys going to spend that big profit sharing payout?

I donated my above 5% to the Blue Pilot Fund on top of my regular monthly contribution.

 

[F9 A319]

If codeshare brings in more pax that connect on the mainline, then who cares....especially if it makes the company more money. GMAFB.

I love to fly and it shows

Posts: 936
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: C-152,C-172,C-182,BE-90, RJ, Douglas bird
Ratings: Private,ME,CFII, ATP
Curr Position: FO
Total Time: 3800

Why someone would list the Cessnas that they flew is beyond me.

When I had 3,800 hours, I loved to fly also. Shortly there after my parents stopped paying me an allowance and $1,485 a month - PIC King Air, Air Ambulance - wasn't enough.

I still like to sit in a plane (A320) and appreciate it allowing me a vote in what's going to happen next, but now it's money, schedule and stability, oh and a CBA.

 

[Longhorn]

He's having fun...he likes to stir the pot and is VERY good at it. Personally I would have him as my wing man anyday.

 

[Blue Dude]

He's having fun...he likes to stir the pot and is VERY good at it. Personally I would have him as my wing man anyday.

What I thought was funny is that he put that crap out there and *nobody* commented on it for four days. Just went on with the original thread as though he didn't exist. That would have been ideal I think. Don't feed the trolls.

I donated my above 5% to the Blue Pilot Fund on top of my regular monthly contribution.

+1

 

[F9 A319]

Does anyone know what airline will provide the lift on the 78 seat or less aircraft and what type of aircraft will be used?

Is it just speculation that it will be AE with ATR's or is there a basis for that statement?

 

[ultrarunner]

Does anyone know what airline will provide the lift on the 78 seat or less aircraft .....?

The lowest bidder.

Is it just speculation that it will be AE with ATR's or is there a basis for that statement?

Can't imagine. ATR's only operate out of Fla, Texas, and San Juan. Not exactly where JetBlue would take feed from.