JetBlue PVC has voted to give away flying!

[Splert]

I'm no lawyer, but I can't see any difference from the new stuff and what we've got now. Other than when they farm out flying they can say that we agreed to it.

sooooo, yea...

Exactly!

 

[Rerouted]

This has Brother Bryan K Bedford (all kneel and say amen) written all over it. If there's anything behind this, I'm betting RAH is the partner. Then again, there are all sorts of AMR rumors floating around. Eh, it's got to be one or the other.

 

[Pilotbob3]

Blue Bayou...Are you ready to fill out that Interest card now? I'll mail in your Interest Card if you like!

 

[BeachBummer]

Ah, and for the record. The PVC voted 0-7 against these documents.

 

[Splert]

Ah, and for the record. The PVC voted 0-7 against these documents.

Not true.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Ah, and for the record. The PVC voted 0-7 against these documents.

What record? If that was the case there would not be the 4 'horsemen' out there at the road show selling this shiite to the pilots...I know 3 are vehemently opposed to this dogshiite....

 

[Lake Alice]

Specifically Grasely, Yoder, Scott and Israel voted in favor of the 5 documents, some without seeing the actual document. The remaining 3 members abstained.

 

[BeachBummer]

I stand corrected. Found this on the b6 board.

The Company asked Kevin Fitzpatrick to draft the base language for all the documents which in turn were passed back and forth between PVC and the ELT for editing.

The PVC voted 7-0 to reject the documents on the original Jan 28th dead line and again (7-0) when presented with ELT’s final offer on Feb 4th. On March 1-2 the PVC was asked to meet with ELT to further modify the documents in order to reach an agreement on the language. On March 2nd the PVC agreed to the documents by a vote of 4-0-3 contingent on concepts introduced that evening being included in the language (Scott, Israel, Grasley, Yoder voted YES and Cates, Cooper, Tarvin ABSTAINED).

This vote occurred prior to seeing the language in writing - the reason I abstained. The secondary reason is a few MAJOR items were conceded by the PVC in order to reach the verbal agreement. One of the items was the ability to act together to enforce contract violations.

The PVC and ELT now disagree on what that verbal agreement was. The final version, provided by the ELT on Tuesday, March 22nd, which failed to correctly incorporate the verbal changes and now indicates the conceded items as "agreed to", was unanimously rejected by the PVC. Following ELT’s release of the documents the PVC will likely meet to create a communication package which will include the following:

- Language proposed by the PVC which was ultimately rejected by management
- The PVC's opinion on why the proposed language is needed by the individual pilot
- A legal analysis from Kevin Fitzpatrick of all five documents as they compare to industry norms
- Possibly a second, independant, legal analysis of our entire legal structure as compared to the industry
(if the PVC is able to obtain funding from Management)


BC

 

[BeachBummer]

I obviously miss recalled what I read... Man I could work in FLTOPS!!
Sorry for the missrecalection.

 

[Smarta$$]

Is that e. Scott on the PVC?

 

[Lake Alice]

First name D.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Is that e. Scott on the PVC?

No, Dick.

 

[Lake Alice]

Davids nickname has always been Dick. Or was that William that has that nickname? Either way after what they have done if Jetblue tanks those four will have a much more difficult time finding employment. You don't do what they have done and get away scott free. Pardon the pun.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

So 78 seat Scope. Who is it going to be? Eagle, Republic? Separate seniority list.

 

[Flyby1206]

So 78 seat Scope. Who is it going to be? Eagle, Republic? Separate seniority list.

Is there any feasible way JB could set up another company to do 78seat flying and keep it on the same seniority list? Have some mechanism to transfer between the two? Outsourcing to a 3rd party would suck balls, and you can guarantee once that flying goes away it aint coming back.

 

[Lake Alice]

No.

What those 4 PVC pilots did was allow Jetblue to operate another airline up 78 seats, organically start an airline flying the same aircraft and never merge seniority lists. If Jetblue purchases an airline with a CBA our ineffective PEA's state that seniority list need to be merged. Now you tell me if you have a CBA and I have a PEA which one is the government going to abide by. This is why the ALPA push has become so important. It's difficult to find the proper wording to describe what 4 pilots have done to the entire seniority list.

 

[Smarta$$]

No, Dick.

Sheesh... for a minute there, I thought you wee calling me a dick!

Thanks.

 

[Smarta$$]

Will the membership still get to vote on this?

 

[Pilotbob3]

Blue Bayou...Are you ready to fill out that Interest card now? I'll mail in your Interest Card if you like!

Blue Bayou lurks but avoids the question.

 

[BeachBummer]

Will the membership still get to vote on this?

The theory is that if 50% + 1 votes in favor of the documents they will be put out to the pilots for a PEA modifacation.

If it gets the "NO" vote... I don't know what happens...

 

[AKAAB]

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If it gets the "NO" vote... I don't know what happens...

Neither does Maruster according to the last call-in dog and pony show.

 

[cowboy55]

A few months ago, you guys thought I was management. I turned my card in. I apologize to everyone for being so blind.

 

[Dizel8]

50%+1 of votes cast is how I read, not voting doesn't mean voting no!

 

[Splert]

Neither does Maruster according to the last call-in dog and pony show.

The PVC rejected a previous iteration and the company came back to the table.

The pilot group must reject this permission slip to career and QOL stagnation.

 

[Smarta$$]

The theory is that if 50% + 1 votes in favor of the documents they will be put out to the pilots for a PEA modifacation.

If it gets the "NO" vote... I don't know what happens...

Thank you. I hope the group collectively sends a strong no. Very disappointing.

 

[BeachBummer]

A few months ago, you guys thought I was management. I turned my card in. I apologize to everyone for being so blind.

:beer:Sorry for calling you Jenny!:beer:

I really wish that managment had taken the high road and made this work. We have dedicated pilots and the PVC has tried. Unfortunately every effort of good will on our part seems to have been met with a kick in the dingding.

Asside from the raises in 2009, absolutly nothing has happened.

 

[Dizel8]

The company hasn't tried to make this work for a long time, they are simply just interested in delay, spin and delay.

Sadly, too many keeps thinking collaboration will work out in the end, just give it a bit more time. What some fail to realize, is that it will not work, not now, not at some magical time in the future, but the company is more than willing to string us along for as long as they can.

0.2% but the ELT got their bonuses even though targets were not met, still waiting, waiting and waiting some more for the 1.09%.

No one take the kids at the small table serious, it's time to grow up.

 

[BeachBummer]

It's kind of like....

^^^THIS!^^^

 

[Fins Up]

I really wish that managment had taken the high road and made this work. We have dedicated pilots and the PVC has tried. Unfortunately every effort of good will on our part seems to have been met with a kick in the dingding.

Don't you mean a "kick in the teeth"?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

when is the vote?