JetBlue ALPA drive

[aewanabe]

Tried that, and the company fought us tooth and nail. Thanks again to SWAPA and CAPA for all the help organizing, but the guys spear-heading JBPA shot their wad. Hence ALPA...

 

[FLYLOW22]

The best union is the "threat" of unionizing.

A threat can't do a representation for a pilot.

 

[Blue Dude]

The best union is the "threat" of unionizing.

Agreed, if all you're after are short term financial gains. Longer term issues like retirement, benefits, scope, M&A are only solved with a CBA. And management has conclusively demonstrated that they're not interested in a collaborative relationship with any bargaining unit.

For that matter, they're not interested in true collaboration *without* a bargaining unit. They only want to appear to fix issues, not take action. Not that they can actually fix the above mentioned items without a CBA. By and large, the law won't let them.

There's no point in demonizing management for what they can't do, only for promising that they could do them, and then running out the clock for years. We need to drop this delaying tactic and get some basic protections in place RFN. Hopefully, it's not too late.

 

[pianoman]

Agreed, if all you're after are short term financial gains. Longer term issues like retirement, benefits, scope, M&A are only solved with a CBA. And management has conclusively demonstrated that they're not interested in a collaborative relationship with any bargaining unit.

For that matter, they're not interested in true collaboration *without* a bargaining unit. They only want to appear to fix issues, not take action. Not that they can actually fix the above mentioned items without a CBA. By and large, the law won't let them.

There's no point in demonizing management for what they can't do, only for promising that they could do them, and then running out the clock for years. We need to drop this delaying tactic and get some basic protections in place RFN. Hopefully, it's not too late.

Wait and see how ALPA does with the CAL/UAL merger and subsequent contract and list integration. I'm personally volunteering what time I have to help the effort.

I think this is a do or die moment for ALPA. See what the results are and make a choice based on the best information available to you.

 

[Blue Dude]

Even if ALPA hopelessly mungs up the CAL/UAL list merge, having a seat at the table backed by a flawed organization is far better than having no seat at all. National ALPA politics and policies can't change that fact.

Besides, if we wait it out and ALPA proves itself unworthy in your eyes, what is your alternative? Status quo? Teamsters? In-house? Give me a realistic option.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Wait and see how ALPA does with the CAL/UAL merger and subsequent contract and list integration. I'm personally volunteering what time I have to help the effort.

I think this is a do or die moment for ALPA. See what the results are and make a choice based on the best information available to you.

Wait and see? Waitng to see your new contract is longer than I am willing to wait. I hope we have a vote in the very near future. Best of luck to all of you....may you all ony be a little pissed off after the integration!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Wait and see how ALPA does with the CAL/UAL merger and subsequent contract and list integration. I'm personally volunteering what time I have to help the effort.

I think this is a do or die moment for ALPA. See what the results are and make a choice based on the best information available to you.

If CAL/UAL is fair for a litmus test, then so is DAL/NWA.. which was successful..... your reply?

What do you fear about self government....?

As a jB pilots and so much happening with LH, AA and SA I would want not only representation but an established network of international relationships.....

As a jB pilots I would want my MEC to have the ability to testify to Congress... to counter jB managements congressional testimony...

As a jB pilot I want a CBA so the company is legally obligated to negotiate a different pay and benefits package. Currently the company is legally obligated to give pilots the same deal as rampers and every other employee.... I am quite certain that a GED entry level employee at jB isn't expecting a professional pilot benefits package for education, training and responsibility.... so.. what will the company do... bring the pilots down or raise the non professionals up? Which is cheaper?

Why jB pilots don't want to exercise their Constitutional rights as professionals is amazing.....

 

[FLYLOW22]

Better get a Union before the next round of consolidation.

You don't wanna show the industry what NON Union seniority integration looks like.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Best of luck to all of you....may you all ony be a little pissed off after the integration!

Remember......It's always better to be pissed off than pissed on.....

got it JB no voters??

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

That's your right. The rest of us will vote for you. Loving the new FSM yet? How about that great new BUF hotel?

Vote ALPA and we'll have a better BUF layover hotel? Is that really your sales pitch?

 

[fifty30retard]

Vote ALPA and we'll have a better BUF layover hotel? Is that really your sales pitch?

Why not? It's no worse than the BOB's lying about the facts as they relate to our benefits.

 

[IB6 UB9]

why not ALPA?

Would you vote for non ALPA representation?

Yes. Just not ALPA.

 

[XTW]

Best of luck to all of you....may you all ony be a little pissed off after the integration!

Which one do you see in your crystal ball?

X

 

[B6Busdriver]

Yes. Just not ALPA.

So you voted for JBPA then? An in-house would be a toothless tiger with money. Talk to the Air Tran guys. I'm not in love with ALPA but it's the only way to go IMHO. That said if you want an in-house, now is your chance to start one.

 

[Regul8r]

So you voted for JBPA then? An in-house would be a toothless tiger with money. Talk to the Air Tran guys. I'm not in love with ALPA but it's the only way to go IMHO. That said if you want an in-house, now is your chance to start one.

And ALPA has teeth? Yes...let's go talk to those airtran guys and see what leaps and bounds they have made in their efforts to negotiate a contract since ALPA came on property. Sometimes a Union is necessary...but to go with ALPA based on their fear-mongering and patriotic analogies? Remember: ALPA's purpose is to Schedule with safety. It has nothing to do with Pay...benefits...hotels, or most anything else that affects QOL. SWA didn't start out with the highest pay-rates in the industry, how did they manage that without ALPA?