JetBlue ALPA drive

[B6Busdriver]

What say the naysayers? I am on the OC and would like to know why some of you are still against representation? How are things going to improve under the current "system?"

 

[pilotyip]

Would this be the same improvement seen at UAL, NWA, AT, ATA, Braniff, EAL?

 

[B6Busdriver]

Would this be the same improvement seen at UAL, NWA, AT, ATA, Braniff, EAL?

Gee that's brilliant. Maybe you do NEED a college education to fly airplanes. I'm sure those terrorists on 9/11 were ALPA members too....not. I'm sure ALPA is why so many airlines filed bankruptcy too.

 

[pilotyip]

Gee that's brilliant. Maybe you do NEED a college education to fly airplanes. I'm sure those terrorists on 9/11 were ALPA members too....not. I'm sure ALPA is why so many airlines filed bankruptcy too.

so is there an association between ALPA and airline survival or not? BTW You do not need to be a college graduate to be a ALPA member, because it has nothing to do with membership

 

[GuinessGuy]

Don't blast him, Pilotyip has a valid point........why, when anyone tries to challenge the point of anyone on the OC, they start to immediately sling mud.........

 

[B6Busdriver]

so is there an association between ALPA and airline survival or not? BTW You do not need to be a college graduate to be a ALPA member, because it has nothing to do with membership

I'm fully aware that there is no college education requirement to be an ALPA member. I thought I might throw it out there before you do. Any jetBlue pilots out there?

 

[pilotyip]

nice touch

Don't blast him, Pilotyip has a valid point........why, when anyone tries to challenge the point of anyone on the OC, they start to immediately sling mud.........

WOW a voice of reality in sea of lets not look at reality.

 

[Whataburger]

Why alpo? If they were smart, they would at least try to get SWAPA on property!! Is that possible?

 

[Raoul Duke]

The best union is the "threat" of unionizing.

 

[IB6 UB9]

What say the naysayers? I am on the OC and would like to know why some of you are still against representation? How are things going to improve under the current "system?"

I will never vote ALPA. Never ever ever. Sling all the mud you want.

 

[aewanabe]

I will never vote ALPA. Never ever ever. Sling all the mud you want.

That's your right. The rest of us will vote for you. Loving the new FSM yet? How about that great new BUF hotel?

 

[B6Busdriver]

I will never vote ALPA. Never ever ever. Sling all the mud you want.

Sling what mud? How is that direct relationship working for you?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Why alpo? If they were smart, they would at least try to get SWAPA on property!! Is that possible?

Yeah......Get swapa and you too could have lance Captains!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I will never vote ALPA. Never ever ever. Sling all the mud you want.

why not ALPA?

Would you vote for non ALPA representation?

 

[ultrarunner]

If the majority has such a hard-on for representation, why the big push for ALPA? Why not internal? APA, SWAPA, etc...

Do a JBPA and control your own destiny.

 

[aewanabe]

Tried that, and the company fought us tooth and nail. Thanks again to SWAPA and CAPA for all the help organizing, but the guys spear-heading JBPA shot their wad. Hence ALPA...

 

[FLYLOW22]

The best union is the "threat" of unionizing.

A threat can't do a representation for a pilot.

 

[Blue Dude]

The best union is the "threat" of unionizing.

Agreed, if all you're after are short term financial gains. Longer term issues like retirement, benefits, scope, M&A are only solved with a CBA. And management has conclusively demonstrated that they're not interested in a collaborative relationship with any bargaining unit.

For that matter, they're not interested in true collaboration *without* a bargaining unit. They only want to appear to fix issues, not take action. Not that they can actually fix the above mentioned items without a CBA. By and large, the law won't let them.

There's no point in demonizing management for what they can't do, only for promising that they could do them, and then running out the clock for years. We need to drop this delaying tactic and get some basic protections in place RFN. Hopefully, it's not too late.

 

[pianoman]

Agreed, if all you're after are short term financial gains. Longer term issues like retirement, benefits, scope, M&A are only solved with a CBA. And management has conclusively demonstrated that they're not interested in a collaborative relationship with any bargaining unit.

For that matter, they're not interested in true collaboration *without* a bargaining unit. They only want to appear to fix issues, not take action. Not that they can actually fix the above mentioned items without a CBA. By and large, the law won't let them.

There's no point in demonizing management for what they can't do, only for promising that they could do them, and then running out the clock for years. We need to drop this delaying tactic and get some basic protections in place RFN. Hopefully, it's not too late.

Wait and see how ALPA does with the CAL/UAL merger and subsequent contract and list integration. I'm personally volunteering what time I have to help the effort.

I think this is a do or die moment for ALPA. See what the results are and make a choice based on the best information available to you.

 

[Blue Dude]

Even if ALPA hopelessly mungs up the CAL/UAL list merge, having a seat at the table backed by a flawed organization is far better than having no seat at all. National ALPA politics and policies can't change that fact.

Besides, if we wait it out and ALPA proves itself unworthy in your eyes, what is your alternative? Status quo? Teamsters? In-house? Give me a realistic option.