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B6Busdriver

B6Busdriver

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What say the naysayers? I am on the OC and would like to know why some of you are still against representation? How are things going to improve under the current "system?"
 
Would this be the same improvement seen at UAL, NWA, AT, ATA, Braniff, EAL?
 
pilotyip said:
Would this be the same improvement seen at UAL, NWA, AT, ATA, Braniff, EAL?
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Gee that's brilliant. Maybe you do NEED a college education to fly airplanes. I'm sure those terrorists on 9/11 were ALPA members too....not. I'm sure ALPA is why so many airlines filed bankruptcy too.
 
B6Busdriver said:
Gee that's brilliant. Maybe you do NEED a college education to fly airplanes. I'm sure those terrorists on 9/11 were ALPA members too....not. I'm sure ALPA is why so many airlines filed bankruptcy too.
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so is there an association between ALPA and airline survival or not? BTW You do not need to be a college graduate to be a ALPA member, because it has nothing to do with membership
 
Don't blast him, Pilotyip has a valid point........why, when anyone tries to challenge the point of anyone on the OC, they start to immediately sling mud.........
 
pilotyip said:
so is there an association between ALPA and airline survival or not? BTW You do not need to be a college graduate to be a ALPA member, because it has nothing to do with membership
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I'm fully aware that there is no college education requirement to be an ALPA member. I thought I might throw it out there before you do. Any jetBlue pilots out there?
 
nice touch

GuinessGuy said:
Don't blast him, Pilotyip has a valid point........why, when anyone tries to challenge the point of anyone on the OC, they start to immediately sling mud.........
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WOW a voice of reality in sea of lets not look at reality.
 
B6Busdriver said:
What say the naysayers? I am on the OC and would like to know why some of you are still against representation? How are things going to improve under the current "system?"
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I will never vote ALPA. Never ever ever. Sling all the mud you want.
 
IB6 UB9 said:
I will never vote ALPA. Never ever ever. Sling all the mud you want.
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That's your right. The rest of us will vote for you. Loving the new FSM yet? How about that great new BUF hotel?
 
If the majority has such a hard-on for representation, why the big push for ALPA? Why not internal? APA, SWAPA, etc...

Do a JBPA and control your own destiny.
 
Tried that, and the company fought us tooth and nail. Thanks again to SWAPA and CAPA for all the help organizing, but the guys spear-heading JBPA shot their wad. Hence ALPA...
 
Raoul Duke said:
The best union is the "threat" of unionizing.
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Agreed, if all you're after are short term financial gains. Longer term issues like retirement, benefits, scope, M&A are only solved with a CBA. And management has conclusively demonstrated that they're not interested in a collaborative relationship with any bargaining unit.

For that matter, they're not interested in true collaboration *without* a bargaining unit. They only want to appear to fix issues, not take action. Not that they can actually fix the above mentioned items without a CBA. By and large, the law won't let them.

There's no point in demonizing management for what they can't do, only for promising that they could do them, and then running out the clock for years. We need to drop this delaying tactic and get some basic protections in place RFN. Hopefully, it's not too late.
 
Blue Dude said:
Agreed, if all you're after are short term financial gains. Longer term issues like retirement, benefits, scope, M&A are only solved with a CBA. And management has conclusively demonstrated that they're not interested in a collaborative relationship with any bargaining unit.

For that matter, they're not interested in true collaboration *without* a bargaining unit. They only want to appear to fix issues, not take action. Not that they can actually fix the above mentioned items without a CBA. By and large, the law won't let them.

There's no point in demonizing management for what they can't do, only for promising that they could do them, and then running out the clock for years. We need to drop this delaying tactic and get some basic protections in place RFN. Hopefully, it's not too late.
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Wait and see how ALPA does with the CAL/UAL merger and subsequent contract and list integration. I'm personally volunteering what time I have to help the effort.

I think this is a do or die moment for ALPA. See what the results are and make a choice based on the best information available to you.
 
Even if ALPA hopelessly mungs up the CAL/UAL list merge, having a seat at the table backed by a flawed organization is far better than having no seat at all. National ALPA politics and policies can't change that fact.

Besides, if we wait it out and ALPA proves itself unworthy in your eyes, what is your alternative? Status quo? Teamsters? In-house? Give me a realistic option.
 
pianoman said:
Wait and see how ALPA does with the CAL/UAL merger and subsequent contract and list integration. I'm personally volunteering what time I have to help the effort.

I think this is a do or die moment for ALPA. See what the results are and make a choice based on the best information available to you.
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Wait and see? Waitng to see your new contract is longer than I am willing to wait. I hope we have a vote in the very near future. Best of luck to all of you....may you all ony be a little pissed off after the integration!
 
pianoman said:
Wait and see how ALPA does with the CAL/UAL merger and subsequent contract and list integration. I'm personally volunteering what time I have to help the effort.

I think this is a do or die moment for ALPA. See what the results are and make a choice based on the best information available to you.
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If CAL/UAL is fair for a litmus test, then so is DAL/NWA.. which was successful..... your reply?

What do you fear about self government....?

As a jB pilots and so much happening with LH, AA and SA I would want not only representation but an established network of international relationships.....

As a jB pilots I would want my MEC to have the ability to testify to Congress... to counter jB managements congressional testimony...

As a jB pilot I want a CBA so the company is legally obligated to negotiate a different pay and benefits package. Currently the company is legally obligated to give pilots the same deal as rampers and every other employee.... I am quite certain that a GED entry level employee at jB isn't expecting a professional pilot benefits package for education, training and responsibility.... so.. what will the company do... bring the pilots down or raise the non professionals up? Which is cheaper?

Why jB pilots don't want to exercise their Constitutional rights as professionals is amazing.....
 
Better get a Union before the next round of consolidation.

You don't wanna show the industry what NON Union seniority integration looks like.
 
B6Busdriver said:
Best of luck to all of you....may you all ony be a little pissed off after the integration!
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Remember......It's always better to be pissed off than pissed on.....

got it JB no voters??
 
IB6 UB9 said:
Yes. Just not ALPA.
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So you voted for JBPA then? An in-house would be a toothless tiger with money. Talk to the Air Tran guys. I'm not in love with ALPA but it's the only way to go IMHO. That said if you want an in-house, now is your chance to start one.
 
B6Busdriver said:
So you voted for JBPA then? An in-house would be a toothless tiger with money. Talk to the Air Tran guys. I'm not in love with ALPA but it's the only way to go IMHO. That said if you want an in-house, now is your chance to start one.
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And ALPA has teeth? Yes...let's go talk to those airtran guys and see what leaps and bounds they have made in their efforts to negotiate a contract since ALPA came on property. Sometimes a Union is necessary...but to go with ALPA based on their fear-mongering and patriotic analogies? Remember: ALPA's purpose is to Schedule with safety. It has nothing to do with Pay...benefits...hotels, or most anything else that affects QOL. SWA didn't start out with the highest pay-rates in the industry, how did they manage that without ALPA?
 

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