Jeff is Challenging Scope.

[whatitdoing?]

Don't blame the pilots who fly for the Regionals. Take the anger and resentment directly to your reps and let them know scope is paramount on the JCBA!

Exactly!! This has nothing to do with regional pilots. I was at a regional for almost 9 years and finally got on with a major. When I was at the regional, I didn't see the major airline pilot's view. I just wanted more 70 seaters so I could fly them. Now I'm at a major I see the big picture. It's not about us versus you. It's about taking back flying that is rightfully ours in the first place. You fly Delta passengers because Delta sells your seats. You fly United passengers because United sells your seats. We're gonna take it back and in the long run, you'll thank us when you're hired at a major. You're more than welcome to apply like I did. I went from 100k a year as an instructor at a regional to 17k take home at a major the first year. Why? Who the f*** knows, but I know for a fact that I'm making more now than a 13 year Capt at a regional after 4 years. And it keeps going up while under a concessionary contract that blows.....ie POS 02. We'll see who's on top in a few years...........

 

[Mr Hat]

UA/CAL ALPA should (while also taking issue with management) take this up with SA (republic) teamsters. Let them (the pilots) know ahead of time this is wrong (against CAL scope) and will not be tolerated.

Let them (the SA pilots) know that any busting, bending or testing the limits of CAL/UA scope (cal/us jobs) will not be allowed. Let the SA pilot/teamsters go to their management (republic) and tell them they side with the CAL/UA pilots on this issue.

Why in Gods name should the SA pilots do that? BS....I'm not a SA pilot but you know what, this is CAL/UAL pilots problem because THEIR scope is being busted. You want to take a stand, park CAL/UAL airplanes til it stops but don't ask the SA pilots to get fired for YOUR fight. Thats crap. They aren't crossing any picket lines, they are doing their jobs....legal jobs. Its up to the major airline pilots of this world to take responsibility for whats going on with RJ's and E170s/190s.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

HMMMM, lots of time off and a 100k a year as a RJ pilot? One of those two isn't happening junior.

Not everyone working at a "commuter" flies a B-1900 for 16K and has eight days off a month. Maybe 10 years ago I was itching to fly a 757, but now can safely say I really don't give a darn what I fly so long as it's well maintained, I can afford to live in a base of my chosing, and enjoy my 16+ days off and quite liveable income. Detroit? Reserve? DC-9? No weekends for the next decade? No thank you.

 

[Jetjockey]

Not everyone working at a "commuter" flies a B-1900 for 16K and has eight days off a month. Maybe 10 years ago I was itching to fly a 757, but now can safely say I really don't give a darn what I fly so long as it's well maintained, I can afford to live in a base of my chosing, and enjoy my 16+ days off and quite liveable income. Detroit? Reserve? DC-9? No weekends for the next decade? No thank you.

That's all well and good, but if you fly for a outsource provider, you are only as good as your last capacity agreement signed with the major airline partner. I know Comair looked real good in 1992. You can replaced by another regional who can do the outsource work for less.

Your airline exists because Mainline, and the pilot's contract allows it to. You don't control your own destiny.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Time for the teens to hit the streets and get back our furloughed brethren.

 

[Whydoitry]

. I went from 100k a year as an instructor at a regional to 17k take home at a major the first year. Why? Who the f*** knows, but I know for a fact that I'm making more now than a 13 year Capt at a regional after 4 years. And it keeps going up while under a concessionary contract that blows.....ie POS 02. We'll see who's on top in a few years...........

Really? Base pay for a 12 year instructor at XJT is $115,500 and that is not a moment of extra time, which all those greedy bastards take, realistically they make north of $160,000 with an exceptional QOL. Line pilot makes a base of $81,000 without any extra time and will have at least 16 days off, and all holidays off and very good 401k contribution from the company, and good health insurance with a 90% coverage. And that's under a concessionary contract as well.

In the end I would agree with you, and take the major job because I don't trust the subcontractor's future, but I certainly wouldn't say that it's an easy or correct choice.

 

[Tonto]

160K at a regional?

 

[jonjuan]

160K at a regional?

I think i've heard here that quite a few eagle guys make that.

 

[SuperFLUF]

160K at a regional?

If true, it just goes to show ya how bad the mainline concessionary agreements are.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joemerchant,

Your a moron, thats as simple as I can put it. Bringing "your" flying (its actually mainlines) back to mainline WHERE IT BELONGS will help the careers of regional pilots in the long run. Now, your making 100k a year at a regional with a good schedule and lots of time off right? I would guess that makes you pretty senior and therefore have little to worry about. So why is it that you don't want that flying to come back to mainline and therefore giving younger and more junior regional pilots a better chance to have a better career at a major?

So I should give up my good schedule for someone else? I thought seniority meant something?

I flew for a regional and it was always my goal to spend as little time as possible at that level. I got into flying because I love to fly and I wanted to fly for a major. I can't speak for all regional pilots, however I can tell you that the vast majority of the people I know that flew or currently fly for regionals want/ed to spend the least amount of time there possible. Bringing that flying back to the majors helps regional pilots who want to move on to a major! Stop with your me, me, me scab mentality!

That was my goal 16 years ago also. However the mainline pilots sold this flying for their convenience....then came the dot.com bubble, 911, SARS, and the financial crises.....I now have altered my flight plan and it is about me...as is everyone else on here including YOU!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Actually Joemerchant moron might be a little harsh. But self centered and arrogant are not.

No different than the mainline pilots who created this mess.....Guilty as charged!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hey Joe: You act like a punk. Since we're in the middle of handling this issue right now (for the next 6 days or so) how about you give this thread a break?

I'm a "punk"?...How about you arrogant mainline pilots who created this mess and now don't like it....Screw you!

Since there is no shortage of mgts who want to do harm to mainline pilots' careers, I'm sure you'll always have a job. But right now, there are a LOT of careers in the balance. This discussion is not for you right now.

There are alot of careers in the balance INCLUDING those of us who had to make a career here because YOU sold this flying.....My career is more important to me than yours....Sorry, but this "brotherhood" and this so-called "union" created this mess...Deal with it! My career is in the balance too, but I don't think you really care now do you?

 

[JoeMerchant]

HMMMM, lots of time off and a 100k a year as a RJ pilot? One of those two isn't happening junior.

Actually both of them are true....I guess you haven't kept up with the times...16-18 days off a month, no holidays....This isn't your father's "commuter" anymore.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

That's all well and good, but if you fly for a outsource provider, you are only as good as your last capacity agreement signed with the major airline partner. I know Comair looked real good in 1992. You can replaced by another regional who can do the outsource work for less.

How about the pilots who flew for Eastern, PanAm, TWA, Braniff, etc.....That's all well and good, but you never know if you made the right choice till you taxi under the water salute...Regional or "major"...

 

[chppr5]

I'm a "punk"?...How about you arrogant mainline pilots who created this mess and now don't like it....Screw you!



There are alot of careers in the balance INCLUDING those of us who had to make a career here because YOU sold this flying.....My career is more important to me than yours....Sorry, but this "brotherhood" and this so-called "union" created this mess...Deal with it! My career is in the balance too, but I don't think you really care now do you?

You're right. We created this problem. Now we are going to fix it!