Jeff is Challenging Scope.

[list2002]

Yeah, time to start acting, tired of "documenting" company abuses to show an arbitrator down the line. Contract was due, pilots furloughed, now this, and NOTHING done by the pilots... what will it take?

 

[mamba20]

Yeah, time to start acting, tired of "documenting" company abuses to show an arbitrator down the line. Contract was due, pilots furloughed, now this, and NOTHING done by the pilots... what will it take?

Because our "elected" union officals in the MEC won't let us do anything. They are all bark and no bite. Have been for years.

 

[bluefin]

Bethune made quite a few remarks in that time frame that were not flattering of UAL. I promise you he doesn't regret them even a little bit. He (and many of us) remembers the "screw CAL" days. Some people forget that as well.

However, I think we all agree, that should be water under the bridge. I'm ready to fiercly defend the UAL brand and all of my coworkers. The upswing this company perhaps might take is shockingly huge. Perhaps even outstrips our ability to negotiate what would be our fair share. I think it's time to start making a case to Congress to look at our situation compared to what this company might be able to earn. With special consideration of the two loan turn downs from the ATSB, that accounted for loss of the pension and scope. Should UAL be able to make this much money in the same decade the pensions and scope were taken from emplyees?

I agree. If only I can get my job back!!! F#$% RJ's, they were not around when I worked at a regional. You wanted jet time, you went to a major!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well if RAH was ALPA couldn't the pilots be persuaded to not fly these flights?

I'm ALPA, and you couldn't persuade me not to fly those flights....The mainline MECs and ALPA made this bed...time for them to lie down in it. Don't ask me to give up for you.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

so once again the main line pilots are blaming the "rj" pilots while doing nothing to save themselves.

exactly!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Might want to tell that to MGT. and the senior Regional guys. They have planes of making it a long term low paying job.

Us "senior regional guys" have made a career here because the elitest mainline pilots didn't want to fly "little airplanes" and the jobs went away at the "mainline"...Sorry, but I didn't do it, but I'm going do what is best for me now.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Again, the regional guys didn't vote to take the flying, the legacy guys VOTED to give it away.

Exactly....I have my schedule and 100K a year for flying the mainline gave away...Sorry, but it is mine now....

 

[JoeMerchant]

they maybe lifers now but i seriously doubt they started that way. All i am saying is quit blaming others for your mistakes.

bingo!

 

[JoeMerchant]

you guys need to take this attitude and shove it up your a$$. scope was not voted away, it was taken/stolen in ch11.

In the late 80s and early 90s? Nice try at revisionist history....

 

[JoeMerchant]

The regional and mainline pilots both need to get some balls and step up. You need to get together to stop this whole thing. Most of you mainline guys came from regionals so don't act as if you are all above the regional guys. As far as the regional guys who cares how the scope was lost but it's time to figure out how to get it back !! Flying 70 seat planes for that pay is nothing to brag about.

Work together and become one against management !!!! If we can figure this out we can win. Screw that railway act it's time to stand up and tell them how we all feel. If that means we all fly safe write everything up and nothing will ever be on time to last straw walk off the job. It sure works for the European pilots. They tell them what they are going to do and then do IT !!!

When the mainline pilots come to me and treat me as an equal and a partner, I will work with them.....If they treat me as the enemy and a lower class, then they can get out of my seat....Their choice....