Jeff is Challenging Scope.

[Whydoitry]

. I went from 100k a year as an instructor at a regional to 17k take home at a major the first year. Why? Who the f*** knows, but I know for a fact that I'm making more now than a 13 year Capt at a regional after 4 years. And it keeps going up while under a concessionary contract that blows.....ie POS 02. We'll see who's on top in a few years...........

Really? Base pay for a 12 year instructor at XJT is $115,500 and that is not a moment of extra time, which all those greedy bastards take, realistically they make north of $160,000 with an exceptional QOL. Line pilot makes a base of $81,000 without any extra time and will have at least 16 days off, and all holidays off and very good 401k contribution from the company, and good health insurance with a 90% coverage. And that's under a concessionary contract as well.

In the end I would agree with you, and take the major job because I don't trust the subcontractor's future, but I certainly wouldn't say that it's an easy or correct choice.

 

[Tonto]

160K at a regional?

 

[jonjuan]

160K at a regional?

I think i've heard here that quite a few eagle guys make that.

 

[SuperFLUF]

160K at a regional?

If true, it just goes to show ya how bad the mainline concessionary agreements are.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joemerchant,

Your a moron, thats as simple as I can put it. Bringing "your" flying (its actually mainlines) back to mainline WHERE IT BELONGS will help the careers of regional pilots in the long run. Now, your making 100k a year at a regional with a good schedule and lots of time off right? I would guess that makes you pretty senior and therefore have little to worry about. So why is it that you don't want that flying to come back to mainline and therefore giving younger and more junior regional pilots a better chance to have a better career at a major?

So I should give up my good schedule for someone else? I thought seniority meant something?

I flew for a regional and it was always my goal to spend as little time as possible at that level. I got into flying because I love to fly and I wanted to fly for a major. I can't speak for all regional pilots, however I can tell you that the vast majority of the people I know that flew or currently fly for regionals want/ed to spend the least amount of time there possible. Bringing that flying back to the majors helps regional pilots who want to move on to a major! Stop with your me, me, me scab mentality!

That was my goal 16 years ago also. However the mainline pilots sold this flying for their convenience....then came the dot.com bubble, 911, SARS, and the financial crises.....I now have altered my flight plan and it is about me...as is everyone else on here including YOU!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Actually Joemerchant moron might be a little harsh. But self centered and arrogant are not.

No different than the mainline pilots who created this mess.....Guilty as charged!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hey Joe: You act like a punk. Since we're in the middle of handling this issue right now (for the next 6 days or so) how about you give this thread a break?

I'm a "punk"?...How about you arrogant mainline pilots who created this mess and now don't like it....Screw you!

Since there is no shortage of mgts who want to do harm to mainline pilots' careers, I'm sure you'll always have a job. But right now, there are a LOT of careers in the balance. This discussion is not for you right now.

There are alot of careers in the balance INCLUDING those of us who had to make a career here because YOU sold this flying.....My career is more important to me than yours....Sorry, but this "brotherhood" and this so-called "union" created this mess...Deal with it! My career is in the balance too, but I don't think you really care now do you?

 

[JoeMerchant]

HMMMM, lots of time off and a 100k a year as a RJ pilot? One of those two isn't happening junior.

Actually both of them are true....I guess you haven't kept up with the times...16-18 days off a month, no holidays....This isn't your father's "commuter" anymore.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

That's all well and good, but if you fly for a outsource provider, you are only as good as your last capacity agreement signed with the major airline partner. I know Comair looked real good in 1992. You can replaced by another regional who can do the outsource work for less.

How about the pilots who flew for Eastern, PanAm, TWA, Braniff, etc.....That's all well and good, but you never know if you made the right choice till you taxi under the water salute...Regional or "major"...

 

[chppr5]

I'm a "punk"?...How about you arrogant mainline pilots who created this mess and now don't like it....Screw you!



There are alot of careers in the balance INCLUDING those of us who had to make a career here because YOU sold this flying.....My career is more important to me than yours....Sorry, but this "brotherhood" and this so-called "union" created this mess...Deal with it! My career is in the balance too, but I don't think you really care now do you?

You're right. We created this problem. Now we are going to fix it!

 

[JoeMerchant]

You're right. We created this problem. Now we are going to fix it!

If the "fix" excludes me...then don't count on my support or others...

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

That was my goal 16 years ago also. However the mainline pilots sold this flying for their convenience....then came the dot.com bubble, 911, SARS, and the financial crises.....I now have altered my flight plan and it is about me...as is everyone else on here including YOU!

If you are in fact, that senior, then losing the +50 seat flying will have minimal, if at all, any effect on you... So then why are you so against it???

Yogi

 

[nerjdriver]

I'm a "punk"?...How about you arrogant mainline pilots who created this mess and now don't like it....Screw you!


DING DING DING!!!!! You major guys are so arrogant to think you have earned anything. YOU have given away every cent of compensation, reputation, progress and integrity to this profession. I absolutely love the guy that says "I was at a regional for 9 years and wanted more 70 seaters"....hmmm were you at RAH? "But now i see the big picture and want the flying thats ours". Whose..? Yours...? But wait .... you were at a regional for 9 years and had no problems with it right?

I am so sick and tired of listening to these self serving, self righteous, high and mighty "major" pilots who are "taking it back". YOU have given everything up for us, we work at a regional for a reason, not a choice. How many of you guys got hired at 24 years old at a major, off the top of my head I can think of three. That was BEFORE SCOPE WAS GIVEN UP and the regionals did not exist.

Flame away guys. The truth sucks.

 

[IAHERJ]

And now we will be "taking it back", albeit slowly. That will give more of you regional guys the opportunity to move on to the pay scales of a major airline. I'm sorry if the "all about me" baby boomers ruined it for the rest of us by giving away scope over the last decade but the younger crowd at the majors(many of which came from regional airlines) are here to help fix this.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

A lot of hot wind from this board.

 

[sleeves]

News flash...Everyone on here is looking at this from their own perspective. Your mileage may vary.....

Well I get a vote and you don't. I am looking at it not only for mysel but for those that are just starting. After reading you self centered B/S, you are the problem, and I will not feel even a little sorry for you.

 

[Bako Cap]

And now we will be "taking it back", albeit slowly. That will give more of you regional guys the opportunity to move on to the pay scales of a major airline.

$30 per hour and no health care for six months? Are you kidding? Your wide body Captains max out less then $200 per hour. You seriously have got to be FN sarcastic to post that. Please tell me you're joking.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I just love seeing this spirit of unity. All for one, one for all. No wonder we're all @#$%ed.

 

[IAHERJ]

$30 per hour and no health care for six months? Are you kidding? Your wide body Captains max out less then $200 per hour. You seriously have got to be FN sarcastic to post that. Please tell me you're joking.

And your captains max out at? With what B fund match? Tell us about how great you have it flying that regional jet. I'll make 120K this year as a copilot and that is working under a concessionary contract that sucks as we all know. What is your starting pay? No I am not kidding. We will fix our contract. That will include taking back the flying our brothers on the United side had to give up in bankruptcy. No sarcasm here. You and your guppy killer buds might want to start looking for pic time asap as you'll need it to fly the same aircraft you are flying today(provided you have a college degree etc. to get hired at UAL) for the benefits you deserve to have as an airline pilot.

 

[IAHERJ]

$30 per hour and no health care for six months? Are you kidding? Your wide body Captains max out less then $200 per hour. You seriously have got to be FN sarcastic to post that. Please tell me you're joking.

Starting over even in the late 1990's meant taking a short term pay cut. I'm sorry if you and ole Joe Merchant can't afford to do so today. That is your problem. You chose to try and live a life you couldn't afford on regional pay and now you have subjected you and your family to a life of complete mediocracy. Suck it up and reap the benefits in less than 4 years. Or fly that code share aircraft for 30 cents on the dollar for the rest of your life hoping for a shot at Spirit or Allegient.