Jeff is Challenging Scope.

[The Drizzle]

Don't blame the pilots who fly for the Regionals. Take the anger and resentment directly to your reps and let them know scope is paramount on the JCBA!

No. Remember, RJ pilots are supposed to fall on their own swords for the mainline pilots. It's we who are struggling to get by, that should take on an illegal work action for the benefit of those who only despise us.

 

[chqflyer]

Must have been nice to be a 18 year old new hire at United and them ungrade to 727 capt at 30. Must be the high level of skill and every thing else that came with being born at the right time.

I'm not a mainline pilot, and never said I was. I fly an RJ and just don't have an out of control sense of entitlement. I know my place in the food chain.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you proud of the fact that you make $100k/year?

My first priority is controlling my schedule and having lots of time off. I have that. Financially, I am doing just fine.

Given the cuts the last decade, I think I am doing fine considering that I am only flying a 50 seat jet.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yours? Really?? What does the paint job and titles look like on your ASA airplanes anyway? Does it say Atlantic Southeast Airlines in big titles down the fuselage? Do you have your own stand-alone res system and marketing department and all the other stuff that goes along with a "real" airline?

Umm, nope. It says Delta Connection (or United Express) on the side and has a mainline paint job. ASA is a contract lift provider and the flying belongs to mainline, i.e., it ain't "yours".

If it was yours, then your pilots would be flying it. They aren't because they didn't want to fly "little" airplanes and they sold it for higher pay and retirement back in the early 90s.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think the correct term should be mine FOR now. You have every right to do the flying that Delta contracted to ASA, and of course Delta has every right to take it back when conditions warrant. I.E change in pilot contract, market improving for larger aircraft etc.

My post was in response to asking us regionals support the "taking it back" movement....Sorry, but some of us aren't going to support that.

 

[JoeMerchant]

It might be nice for you at the top of the list but the regional job is not what is best for Most of us pilots. Your F/o's are making nothing and you are trying to prolong there misery. If the Regionals expand that means more capt. slots but also more very low paying f/o slots. Someone is going to get stuck in those positions for a very long time. You will get to sit next to them. But hey it worked out for YOU.

News flash...Everyone on here is looking at this from their own perspective. Your mileage may vary.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

How the hell do you pass random drug tests? You are not equal to a mainline pilot. Fogging a mirror and keeping a seat warm does not put oneself on the same level as a mainline pilot. They put in their time either flying for some crappy regional for YEARS or were getting shot at in the military just to qualify to fly for a Major. It is insulting to compare those qualifications with someone who bought 300 hours at some Florida flight school.

Your right, I actually have more time than most of them....Are you familiar with some of the prior hiring practices of United? They hired their fair share of 350 hour wonders too....Take off the knee pads.....

 

[mamba20]

Joemerchant,

Your a moron, thats as simple as I can put it. Bringing "your" flying (its actually mainlines) back to mainline WHERE IT BELONGS will help the careers of regional pilots in the long run. Now, your making 100k a year at a regional with a good schedule and lots of time off right? I would guess that makes you pretty senior and therefore have little to worry about. So why is it that you don't want that flying to come back to mainline and therefore giving younger and more junior regional pilots a better chance to have a better career at a major?

I flew for a regional and it was always my goal to spend as little time as possible at that level. I got into flying because I love to fly and I wanted to fly for a major. I can't speak for all regional pilots, however I can tell you that the vast majority of the people I know that flew or currently fly for regionals want/ed to spend the least amount of time there possible. Bringing that flying back to the majors helps regional pilots who want to move on to a major! Stop with your me, me, me scab mentality!

 

[Freebrd]

If it was yours, then your pilots would be flying it. .

it be DAL Inc's flying, not DALPA or ASA pilots, and Inc wants ASA flying it and you ain't getting it back, 100+ seaters next, deal wit it, and don't forget to say hi to an ASA pilot on the concourse, don't be so stuck up k?

 

[mamba20]

Actually Joemerchant moron might be a little harsh. But self centered and arrogant are not.

 

[Flopgut]

Hey Joe: You act like a punk. Since we're in the middle of handling this issue right now (for the next 6 days or so) how about you give this thread a break?

Since there is no shortage of mgts who want to do harm to mainline pilots' careers, I'm sure you'll always have a job. But right now, there are a LOT of careers in the balance. This discussion is not for you right now.

 

[nimtz]

Your right, I actually have more time than most of them....Are you familiar with some of the prior hiring practices of United? They hired their fair share of 350 hour wonders too....Take off the knee pads.....

Joe it's very simple. Career commuter guys are usually either real comfy living in base or complete t-bags that can't get another job. You might try to represent the former, but it's clear you are the latter...

 

[jbDC9]

If it was yours, then your pilots would be flying it.

That still doesn't make it "your" flying you moron.

 

[densoo]

Your a moron, thats as simple as I can put it.

Classic.

http://voxygen.net/images/2009/09/morans.gif

 

[nwaredtail]

My first priority is controlling my schedule and having lots of time off. I have that. Financially, I am doing just fine.

Given the cuts the last decade, I think I am doing fine considering that I am only flying a 50 seat jet.

HMMMM, lots of time off and a 100k a year as a RJ pilot? One of those two isn't happening junior.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Don't blame the pilots who fly for the Regionals. Take the anger and resentment directly to your reps and let them know scope is paramount on the JCBA!

Exactly!! This has nothing to do with regional pilots. I was at a regional for almost 9 years and finally got on with a major. When I was at the regional, I didn't see the major airline pilot's view. I just wanted more 70 seaters so I could fly them. Now I'm at a major I see the big picture. It's not about us versus you. It's about taking back flying that is rightfully ours in the first place. You fly Delta passengers because Delta sells your seats. You fly United passengers because United sells your seats. We're gonna take it back and in the long run, you'll thank us when you're hired at a major. You're more than welcome to apply like I did. I went from 100k a year as an instructor at a regional to 17k take home at a major the first year. Why? Who the f*** knows, but I know for a fact that I'm making more now than a 13 year Capt at a regional after 4 years. And it keeps going up while under a concessionary contract that blows.....ie POS 02. We'll see who's on top in a few years...........

 

[Mr Hat]

UA/CAL ALPA should (while also taking issue with management) take this up with SA (republic) teamsters. Let them (the pilots) know ahead of time this is wrong (against CAL scope) and will not be tolerated.

Let them (the SA pilots) know that any busting, bending or testing the limits of CAL/UA scope (cal/us jobs) will not be allowed. Let the SA pilot/teamsters go to their management (republic) and tell them they side with the CAL/UA pilots on this issue.

Why in Gods name should the SA pilots do that? BS....I'm not a SA pilot but you know what, this is CAL/UAL pilots problem because THEIR scope is being busted. You want to take a stand, park CAL/UAL airplanes til it stops but don't ask the SA pilots to get fired for YOUR fight. Thats crap. They aren't crossing any picket lines, they are doing their jobs....legal jobs. Its up to the major airline pilots of this world to take responsibility for whats going on with RJ's and E170s/190s.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

HMMMM, lots of time off and a 100k a year as a RJ pilot? One of those two isn't happening junior.

Not everyone working at a "commuter" flies a B-1900 for 16K and has eight days off a month. Maybe 10 years ago I was itching to fly a 757, but now can safely say I really don't give a darn what I fly so long as it's well maintained, I can afford to live in a base of my chosing, and enjoy my 16+ days off and quite liveable income. Detroit? Reserve? DC-9? No weekends for the next decade? No thank you.

 

[Jetjockey]

Not everyone working at a "commuter" flies a B-1900 for 16K and has eight days off a month. Maybe 10 years ago I was itching to fly a 757, but now can safely say I really don't give a darn what I fly so long as it's well maintained, I can afford to live in a base of my chosing, and enjoy my 16+ days off and quite liveable income. Detroit? Reserve? DC-9? No weekends for the next decade? No thank you.

That's all well and good, but if you fly for a outsource provider, you are only as good as your last capacity agreement signed with the major airline partner. I know Comair looked real good in 1992. You can replaced by another regional who can do the outsource work for less.

Your airline exists because Mainline, and the pilot's contract allows it to. You don't control your own destiny.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Time for the teens to hit the streets and get back our furloughed brethren.