Im Ready, UNION AT FLEX

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So who was it then? I haven't heard a peep and yammer is a ghost town.

To follow up on flexible's posts, right now any discipline by management no matter how deserving will be spun by the IBT as a threat against the union.

Its not a threat to the union. Its a direct threat to YOU. If Uncle can intimidate enough of you, then he knows he can have his way with you for the rest of your career.

 

[flexible]

So who was it then? I haven't heard a peep and yammer is a ghost town.

To follow up on flexible's posts, right now any discipline by management no matter how deserving will be spun by the IBT as a threat against the union. What gets me is the double standard where the union accuses management of fear mongering and deceit meanwhile they use similar tactics to scare us into voting for them. Only makes sense I guess since that's how our political system works!

Just got clarification from one of the POC people that it was SG and JW. All I had to do was private message them on the vuh and I got an answer right away. It's hard not to put an against the union spin on it when it's pretty obvious that's what it is.

As for the rest, please don't put words in my mouth. I'm far from decided on this union issue but I disagree with you that the union peeps use similar tactics to management. Your opinion on that and your other posts here say a lot about your level of maturity. The fact you can deny (or worse case compare) what management is clearly doing for you own self described rebel poking the bear fun is ridiculously immature on such a serious issue.

The only thing that keeps me in the middle is how open and honest the POC has been otherwise this card carrying republican would have made my choice a long time ago. Some of those guys are great, great guys. I just simply don't like unions. Obviously, you have the same amount of respect for your fellow pilots as you do for our political system. I'd prolly hate flying with you so it's just as well I hope I never have to. Please, please be a low seniority 604 FO so I don't ever have to worry about it.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

flexible, does the union have the power to fire people because they don't like it that you don't toe the union line?

 

[flexible]

flexible, does the union have the power to fire people because they don't like it that you don't toe the union line?

Of course not but let's be honest they could make life easy or hard if they wanted to. I guess it all depends on how well and on time you pay your dues. According to PD at least.

It is a little bit of a protection racket if you think about it. Unfortunately, the longer I work for Ricci the more I see it's a viable business model. Unions aren't in business because CEO's are honest and upstanding. Ricci claims he hates unions but his business methodologies practically scream for one being necessary. Shoot, maybe he's actually getting kickbacks from membership.

I didn't come looking for the hard sell, just some info and I've gotten what I needed. Thanks.

I just didn't want to put it in the vuh because I didn't feel like 1000 phone calls to get me off the fence tonight.

 

[luckydog]

Please, please be a low seniority 604 FO so I don't ever have to worry about it.

Don't be so sure... the last G450 person added for training was in fact a low seniority (>300) 604 FO.

One can never tell what's going to happen next.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Of course not but let's be honest they could make life easy or hard if they wanted to. I guess it all depends on how well and on time you pay your dues. According to PD at least.

PD is a crybaby. He had no problem throwing others under the bus. When it was his turn to get bumped, it was too late to avoid his pay cut. Cry me a river.

 

[cougar12]

Anything That comes out of PD is garbage! He thinks he is an expert on the the union an the NRLB. Ask him how his request for a single carrier determination is coming? I sure hope the rest of his coworkers see through his bs.

 

[Flex605]

The petition that is going around that has 32 signatures for RH to resign. I have not seen it yet but probably would be willing to sign it

 

[doh]

There is a petition going around for Handschuch to resign? Hilarious. C'mon guys, you know he has your back...sighted in...

 

[flex*wife]

The petition that is going around that has 32 signatures for RH to resign. I have not seen it yet but probably would be willing to sign it

Well that seems rather redundant. But at last you flexers get it. I hope every one of those signatures represents someone who has also sent in their card for the vote.

Remember the card doesn't guarantee a union on property any more than this petition guarantees Rick will resign. It merely represents your voice in saying "I think we should have the right to decide this issue."

I find it hard to believe they don't have enough cards yet. Impossible actually. My guess is there is a smart reason for holding off just a little longer. Maybe this court case?

Regarding PD and the single carrier comment, would you please explain. What is he trying to do? I thought the company didn't want that, doesn't make sense their lackey is pushing it.

 

[jetwash]

The petition that is going around that has 32 signatures for RH to resign. I have not seen it yet but probably would be willing to sign it

No need for that, just get enough cards in for the union vote and KR will show him the door like he did to Bob when the 1108 was voted in at Options.

Plus don't put a target on yourselves until you have protection of a CBA. Keep your heads down and send in your cards.

 

[luckydog]

No need for that, just get enough cards in for the union vote and KR will show him the door like he did to Bob when the 1108 was voted in at Options.

Plus don't put a target on yourselves until you have protection of a CBA. Keep your heads down and send in your cards.

That is excellent advice, problem is, it just hasn't worked out so far.

Honestly I can't understand why. There's always about 10% that just don't get it, and never will, but what's the hold up with the rest?

Let's just look at the list:
No bonus
No enhanced 401(k)
Multiple firings, not related to flying
FX tail aircraft being flown by FLOPs
G450 going to FLOPs pilots and junior FJ crew
iWOG and CAMP
Red Label
Special treatment of FLOPs crews at FJ


Are people holding out for ALPA or an internal group because they don't like the IBT? If that's the case, it's time to lower your expectations and dance with the partner we've got.

A petition to remove RH, useless even if every pilot at FJ signed it. He won't step down. And if he did, what new overlord would Kenn appoint to oversee the continued assimilations?

 

[993_Pilot]

...Regarding PD and the single carrier comment, would you please explain. What is he trying to do? I thought the company didn't want that, doesn't make sense their lackey is pushing it.

The main thing KR cares about is keeping the union out, so he can do things his way. He doesn't care about keeping the seniority list separate, because he would just go on with Red-Label program if he is allowed, and seniority won't matter. So to answer your question very simply, "Single Carrier" triggers the representation vote, and management believes that the sooner the vote happens, the more likely it will come out in their favor. Luckily it's probably already too late for that, the way they have screwed with you guys. Flex may not be at 65% on the card drive yet, but I would be willing to bet that the combined Flex & Options groups have well over the necessary 50% + 1.

 

[doh]

Have you seen the latest BS Handcrank post? Read the POC letter. At no time do they say the terminated pilot was let go because of his union affiliation. They only say, correctly, that it is sleazy to smear the guy without giving any evidence or allowing him to defend himself. So, Mr Boyscout, why don't you tell about the racist slur you used on JC? And why weren't youmterminated for that? Twisting the truth until it becomes a lie.

 

[FR8DOG777]

It's nice to see you guys coming around. I have only one regret in my aviation career. Not quitting when RICCI got us at travel air in 01!!!!Give em hell