Im Ready, UNION AT FLEX

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Thank you.

 

[jonjuan]

Anti-Union Allegiant CEO worst nightmare: Teamsters pilots

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...nt-ceo-lives-his-worst-dream-teamster-pilots/

 

[shanes123]

Not going to say we told you so..But basically KR wants to get rid of your schedules, take away your seniority system and cut everyones pay all the while he flies around in his Gulfstream to his house in CABO. SO i guess you have to ask your self.." DO I FEEL LUCKY"
"well do ya Flex guys" if your all ok with that continue on..If not send in your cards and let the battle for equality begin

 

[hank1292]

File for single carrier with the NMB! Get this over with! Let every pilot at Onesky have a vote in our future. I find it ironic that there is a whole lot of name calling and intimidation by supporters of the 1108 pointed at the Flex pilots when the 1108 doesn't have the balls to fill the petition.

 

[993_Pilot]

File for single carrier with the NMB! Get this over with! Let every pilot at Onesky have a vote in our future. I find it ironic that there is a whole lot of name calling and intimidation by supporters of the 1108 pointed at the Flex pilots when the 1108 doesn't have the balls to fill the petition.

Either group can file, so why don't the Flex pilots file for single carrier?
All you need to do is get together as a group.
Simple, right?

 

[flex*wife]

File for single carrier with the NMB! Get this over with! Let every pilot at Onesky have a vote in our future. I find it ironic that there is a whole lot of name calling and intimidation by supporters of the 1108 pointed at the Flex pilots when the 1108 doesn't have the balls to fill the petition.

I follow these threads pretty closely and I don't see what you're talking about. The only intimidation and disunity has been from the anti union camp. The FO pilots have been pretty supportive of the flex guys who see the light.

It's their integrity showing through because if it were less, they'd file and force Flex before they're all ready. But it's obvious their desire is to help the flex guys not hurt them.

The only one who's running out of time is management. They can't move forward with their plans with red label and the bonus until they know. KR only wants to pay that bonus as a last ditch effort to save the vote if he has to. He wants to be able to blame the vote if he says no (I.e. he'd love to pay bonus but now union drive is costing him).

If the committee is smart they won't do anything until may 2nd or later anyway.

 

[Praetorian]

I follow these threads pretty closely and I don't see what you're talking about. The only intimidation and disunity has been from the anti union camp. The FO pilots have been pretty supportive of the flex guys who see the light.

It's their integrity showing through because if it were less, they'd file and force Flex before they're all ready. But it's obvious their desire is to help the flex guys not hurt them.

The only one who's running out of time is management. They can't move forward with their plans with red label and the bonus until they know. KR only wants to pay that bonus as a last ditch effort to save the vote if he has to. He wants to be able to blame the vote if he says no (I.e. he'd love to pay bonus but now union drive is costing him).

If the committee is smart they won't do anything until may 2nd or later anyway.

Prediction: He will claim "laboratory conditions", or "status quo", are preventing him from offering the bonus. This will be false, because these two terms are only applicable to the period of time during which cards have been presented to the NMB and vote occurs - so weeks of time no more. But I bet the claim will be made. We've seen it before.

Just curious, what's significant about May 2nd?

 

[flex*wife]

May 2nd is the day after the very last day that Kenn can pay Flexjet pilots their contractually obligated bonus they earned at the fiscal close of October 2014. The full amount up to May 1st can be interpreted as acceptable, anything less or after May 2nd is breach of contract.

Of course Uncle Kenn has already said he's not contractually obligated to pay it (despite its inclusion in the employment contract he forced all pilots to sign) and has still to date refused to give out the metrics, amounts, or anything regarding it except an express desire to not pay it. He said he just cant stomach the $4 million right now - despite it being Flexjet's most profitable year - and is averse to bonuses as a general rule. Grapevine also has it he has expressed concern over paying it as a lump sum if he pays it at all.

There was a rumor it would got out on April 1st but there was no bonus.

What kills me is the rumor there are pilots who still want to hold out for the bonus - give Kenn a chance to "make it right" -- before they decide if they will send in their union card.

It kills me for two reasons:

1.) The fact he has monkeyed around with it at all despite what pilots thought was an fairly reasonable contractual promise (in addition to the 401k and other things) should give them pause for thought about exactly what they are in store for with him as their fearless leader. He is willing to ignore the contract he wrote himself! What do they think will happen after this "protection" goes away in January 2016?

2.) The Red Label program these same pilots are all willing to scratch and claw their way over the backs of their senior list as a way of promoting themselves out of line is also has a significant bonus structure element to it. In the middle of him effing with them on bonuses, these same guys are signing up for a program based on bonuses.

This guy has given absolutely not a single indication that he is trustworthy or stable. And yet pilots are willing to gamble their careers on him because of what exactly? I'm honestly wondering what has got them so Ricci whipped. That must be some damn dazzling smile in person.

As for me - Ricci could tell me the sky was blue and I would literally have to go outside and check first.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

This guy has given absolutely not a single indication that he is trustworthy or stable. And yet pilots are willing to gamble their careers on him because of what exactly? I'm honestly wondering what has got them so Ricci whipped. That must be some damn dazzling smile in person.

As for me - Ricci could tell me the sky was blue and I would literally have to go outside and check first.

Hi flex*wife, You certainly figured Uncle out. He can lie right to your face and it doesn't bother him one bit. His ego is as big as his wallet.

 

[flex*wife]

Hi flex*wife, You certainly figured Uncle out. He can lie right to your face and it doesn't bother him one bit. His ego is as big as his wallet.

a wallet enriched on the backs and sweat of those who work for him...

 

[993_Pilot]

... KR only wants to pay that bonus as a last ditch effort to save the vote if he has to....

Winner, Winner, Chicken dinner. Someone gets it.

I know the Flex pilots have already earned it, and I truly mean no disrespect here, but now that you are all getting to know the man, why do you suppose KR would pay a bonus to a group who doesn't pose any threat? After all, you have already earned him the profit. If you get disgruntled and leave, he would love to replace you with a new-hire at first year pay. Just exactly what he wants.

The bottom line is that if KR feels a request for single carrier determination is getting close, the bonus will probably come out in an attempt to sway the representation vote that follows. If not, it probably won't. So, the best way to ensure your bonus is to turn in your card! Ironic, huh?

 

[Frac Cap]

Don't forget it will also get them the meal policy that we now have. I am sure that is being saved for just before the vote.

 

[doh]

Flex*wife, if your husband's initials are RP, he hasn't sent in his card. You might have a word.

 

[Propilot77]

Flex*wife, if your husband's initials are RP, he hasn't sent in his card. You might have a word.

Ahhhhh snap!!!!!!!

 

[luckydog]

Don't forget it will also get them the meal policy that we now have. I am sure that is being saved for just before the vote.

I really hope you're kidding with this.

It's kind of insulting to suggest that anyone's vote could be changed over these literal crumbs.

 

[Frac Cap]

I'm not kidding. I am sure that tactic has already been discussed and could be given just before the vote to win over some fence sitters. Not everyone looks long term at the big picture. Some just live for today. Enough has already been taken to pay for the meals.

 

[luckydog]

I'm not kidding. I am sure that tactic has already been discussed and could be given just before the vote to win over some fence sitters. Not everyone looks long term at the big picture. Some just live for today. Enough has already been taken to pay for the meals.

Let it go. You don't work here. You don't fly with us. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've spoken to lots of guys/gals some pro-union, some against, and I have yet to find a single person gives a crap about the meal deal.

The card may be played in the future but I doubt it will get any traction.

Let's try and stay focused on the real issues.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Lucky, I think Frac was just reliving the days when Baghdad Bob was promised us all kinds of carrots to not vote for representation.

 

[Frac Cap]

I will let it go. I have worked to the man for over 15 years and you say I don't know what I am talking about, I am just a bit surprised at your naivety. Just let me know if you need to borrow a shovel to make it easier to put your head in the sand.

 

[flex*wife]

Let it go. You don't work here. You don't fly with us. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've spoken to lots of guys/gals some pro-union, some against, and I have yet to find a single person gives a crap about the meal deal.

The card may be played in the future but I doubt it will get any traction.

Let's try and stay focused on the real issues.

Flexjet pilots are notorious for saying one thing and doing another. I can tell you for a fact there are many pilots who are quick to post their anti union drivel on yammer but express very pro union sentiments behind closed doors (some you'd be very surprised about) but like to play both sides because deep down they're afraid about the repercussions of either way. So they sit in this weird limbo space.

Even personally, I've always been much more pro union than my husband. He just wants to live his life and doesn't feel like risking all he has for a bunch of ungrateful a$$hats. I get that. Especially after seeing all your committee has sacrificed for the benefit of all pilots and the disrespect, hate and lack of support they get for it. As an outsider it seems even the committee itself doesn't rally around one another let alone the pilot group as a whole. Y'all are truly an enigma.

So don't be surprised if the meal thing actually ends up being a bigger carrot than you think. Kenn dedicates much ink his his book about this very idea and how effective full bellies are to swaying opinions. I don't have the book in front of me to give you the exact quote but I believe it's something like a $20 steak can save you $20k in the long run.

Frac Cap has swum the river upstream. You'd be wise to heed his advice and not put your co-workers on a alamo-esque pedestal they haven't earned. The flexjet group has proven they'd already be willing to sell themselves out for less on more than a few occasions. So yeah, expect the meal plan to get some positive press here shortly.

Like I said, that dazzling smile of his must be quite something to behold in person cuz some of y'all are just so whipped by it. It really has to be that smile because he's given you NOTHING of substance to explain it.

Oh, and I won't give him the respect of a quoted response to him directly but doh, you're an a$$hat for trying to call someone out who supports you and your cause on an open thread. Like initials are going to be enough to keep someone from speculating and you might have done an innocent person harm by it. And yet you wonder why some don't trust the committee to sign on to help you.