I'm getting Furloughed From TSA & I'm thinking Go Jet.

[thowe21]

I can play this game to, I told my dad that any resumes that come across his desk with airtran and tsa on them to throw in the garbage. Best luck at continental!

Well my daddy works at American and he will make sure any resumes from GJ will be thrown in the garbage. Give me a break you absolute tool bag!!!

 

[pilotbrain]

Well my dad bigger (fat) then yours.
Swordfish dad the chief pilot at Continental, he the person that told me to come to go jet and get my PIC

 

[flyer172r]

• Did TSA ever fly hub flying out of SAT? NO so how is GJ taking that flying from you, those 3 planes where out station contracts SAT-STL.

Wrong. TSA was flying to MSY, OMA, ABQ, and a few others (I only did one SAT trip so I don't remember them off the top of my head). SAT was not a full hub like IAD or ORD but it wasn't just another outstation being served out of STL. In fact we never once flew STL-SAT.

 

[flyinsick]

I jump on GJ all the time... many of the Captains have been furloughed from the majors, furloughed from corporate jobs, ex and current military- one guy in particular was an ex F-15 pilot from the gulf war..... and several of you people are going to have the audacity to start jumpseat wars and bash the GJ guys for taking jobs to feed their families... really makes me sick. GJ is the same as every other regional airline out there. They seem to be one of the happiest groups of pilots I have been around and most of them claim to have little or no problems jumpseating, harrassment, finding jobs at the Majors, etc. - so someone must be treating them right. GJ didn't take anything from anyone that any other regional hasn't taken from someone else. The ONLY difference is that they are owned by a company that already owns a seperate airline. Good luck TSA and goodluck GJ. But, it seems that karma is getting back at TSA.

Nice job! I also have to stick up for GJ now and then because there are so many people on their backs! (no wonder they are hiding I would not want to be verbally abused every time I ran across an angry pilot either.) I dead headed on a GJ flight not too long ago. I had a boarding pass, but I quietly slipped to the back and tried not to be noticed. SHAME ON ME. What a perfect opportunity to ask questions. I did run into a captain one other time. She was so nice, has kids, thats all I know. We didn't talk much about aviation. But Another blown opportunity. You are so right when you said GJ has done what every regional airline did at one point. Honestly after reading a statement like this I really do want to find out more and possibly work for GJ. (these threads may or may not have been the place to learn more.) All of us are human beings trying to do the right thing for our families and futures. Its really sad that there are people out there that would hinder that process. But how can the interviewers tell, I know I would not hire an angry pilot that has contempt for other people, But how do they know?

 

[punkpilot48]

I did run into a captain one other time. She was so nice, has kids, thats all I know.

What about any pilots that got furloughed from TSA that have families?

 

[TSA Pilot]

flyinsick is a ************************* pilot pretending to be a TSA pilot to drum up support for his side. Trying to make it look like people are converting. It ain't happening. sorry.

 

[D'Angelo]

Do whats best for your career. Its really that simple. Misguided anger is all there is on these forums. People get high blood pressure and extremely angry. it most certainly is not a representation of the real world. Fact is those freedom pilots have been hired at major airlines. The Go-jets pilots no doubt will get hired at other majors. Most people still don't even know who the hell Go-jets is. I don't know why unions think they need to tell people how to run their life.

 

[thowe21]

Just because you gj pilots got furloughed why would you deliberately do something that would get TSA pilots furloughed I just don't get it.

 

[pilotbrain]

Wrong. TSA was flying to MSY, OMA, ABQ, and a few others (I only did one SAT trip so I don't remember them off the top of my head). SAT was not a full hub like IAD or ORD but it wasn't just another outstation being served out of STL. In fact we never once flew STL-SAT.

No you misunderstood what I said. TSA said that GJ was taking over there flying out of SAT not true. Because every thing that GJ is flying out of SAT is hub system, NOT OUT STAITON FLYING.

 

[pilotbrain]

Go jet hasten taken any flying from TSA, and has no plans to do so.( the contract that GJ has is a ten year hub system flying contract with up to 50 CRJ’s, not the same contract)

I had no problem with a combine seniority list but TSA voted NO 3 times, with 2 more chance before that.

Should have voted yes!!! It your fault why TSA doesn’t have the growth and why TSA is furloughing.

PEACE OUT

 

[flyer172r]

Go jet hasten taken any flying from TSA, and has no plans to do so.( the contract that GJ has is a ten year hub system flying contract with up to 50 CRJ’s, not the same contract)

I had no problem with a combine seniority list but TSA voted NO 3 times, with 2 more chance before that.

Should have voted yes!!! It your fault why TSA doesn’t have the growth and why TSA is furloughing.

PEACE OUT

Yes because obviously voting in a POS ultimatum (not a negotiated solution, an ultimatum) that would've resulted in a pay cut and had scope language that didn't even resolve the situation was the right solution. After that piece of crap was voted down the pilot group was more than willing to negotiate something that was fair and equitable, and I'm sure most TSA pilots would've been willing to make a reasonable concession. But management had no interest in anything other than that one offer that they knew was going to get voted down. Ok, the horse is really dead this time.

BTW, enjoy working for GJ. I'm gonna laugh in a few years when you see exactly what kind of people you're dealing with.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Tsa Mec Says.....

Here's what the TSA MEC says about this issue.....
800-282-ALPA(2572)... option 1, option 1

D.M. TSA MEC Chairman:

"... As per conversation with Capt. W, the cause of these furloughs are a direct result of a loss of SAT flying being performed for our UAL code share partner. It was made very clear to the MEC that this loss of this flying was not a result of transfers to the Go-Jet operation. TSA mngt concluded that the SAT routes were not profitable enough, and therefore decided not to persue serving these routes, causeing us to park 2 EMB-145s over the next couple of months..."

 

[flyinsick]

flyinsick is a ************************* pilot pretending to be a TSA pilot to drum up support for his side. Trying to make it look like people are converting. It ain't happening. sorry.

Ahh.... NO.

 

[rjacobs]

I got a good one. Im getting furloughed, so im gonna go out with dignity and finish my schedule. Well, I was updating my resume and was looking at my time review thing on the crewtrack site and I see I am at 130 hours of pay credit for the month, WTFO I thought. So I look and it says DFI, drop for IOE. So im getting paid for my 20 hour trip to not fly it and they put a 12 hour trip on me. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, if they didnt do ******************** like this maybe they wouldnt have to furlough to save money. There gonna pay me 600 bucks to fly 10 hours. I LOVE IT.

 

[BoilerUP]

Go Jet has a posting on climbto350.com today for CRJ700 street captains and first officers, while Trans States, their "fellow" TSH airline, is furloughing and downgrading. I guess thats "just business"...

 

[pilotbrain]

Go Jet has a posting on climbto350.com today for CRJ700 street captains and first officers, while Trans States, their "fellow" TSH airline, is furloughing and downgrading. I guess thats "just business"...

should have voted YES!

 

[Turkey Shoot]

should have voted YES!

How do you get the idea that TSA voted NO three times? As I recall there was only one chance to vote. They wanted TSA pilots to continue on the current contract that puts them at the bottom (below Mesa) in a few years with 1.5% raises for the next four years. Additionally, the GJ pilots would have furlough protection over senior pilots.

How in the ******************** is that right?

 

[flyinsick]

What about any pilots that got furloughed from TSA that have families?

I'm finding out what thats like.

 

[pilotbrain]

Yes because obviously voting in a POS ultimatum (not a negotiated solution, an ultimatum) that would've resulted in a pay cut and had scope language that didn't even resolve the situation was the right solution. After that piece of crap was voted down the pilot group was more than willing to negotiate something that was fair and equitable, and I'm sure most TSA pilots would've been willing to make a reasonable concession. But management had no interest in anything other than that one offer that they knew was going to get voted down. Ok, the horse is really dead this time.

BTW, enjoy working for GJ. I'm gonna laugh in a few years when you see exactly what kind of people you're dealing with.

WAIT! JUST ONE MINUTE,

Let’s talk about the very first opportunity that TSA had to fly GJ planes, when management offered longevity and same seniority list, why didn’t ALPA and your MEC send every TSA pilot over to GJ side and then vote in ALPA, knowing that your contract was up for negotiation in madder of months. First DUMB MOVE!

Second this final contract that TSA VOTED DOWN that they keep telling everyone that it was such a bad deal, ALPA National and TSA MEC, and MANAGEMET all felt that they came up with a great contract for TSA PILOT TO FLY GJ AIRPLANE which would have stapled GJ to the bottom of TSA based on date of hire!

These furloughs are nobody’s fault but TSA PILOTS!!!!

 

[great cornholio]

No you misunderstood what I said. TSA said that GJ was taking over there flying out of SAT not true. Because every thing that GJ is flying out of SAT is hub system, NOT OUT STAITON FLYING.

When it first started a few months ago we got a memo that called SAT a "minihub" We hubbed out of SAT and flew to about 7 outstations. Day one would work your way to SAT somehow, such as RIC-ORD, ORD-OKC, OKC-SAT. Once you got to SAT days 2 and 3 were spent hubbing out of SAT and spending overnites in such places as COS and ABQ, etc. Day 4 would work your way back to the domicle very simularly to how you made it down to SAT on day 1.

 

[pilotbrain]

When it first started a few months ago we got a memo that called SAT a "minihub" We hubbed out of SAT and flew to about 7 outstations. Day one would work your way to SAT somehow, such as RIC-ORD, ORD-OKC, OKC-SAT. Once you got to SAT days 2 and 3 were spent hubbing out of SAT and spending overnites in such places as COS and ABQ, etc. Day 4 would work your way back to the domicle very simularly to how you made it down to SAT on day 1.

that is what you call out Station flying.

 

[great cornholio]

Go jet hasten taken any flying from TSA, and has no plans to do so.( the contract that GJ has is a ten year hub system flying contract with up to 50 CRJ’s, not the same contract)

I had no problem with a combine seniority list but TSA voted NO 3 times, with 2 more chance before that.

Should have voted yes!!! It your fault why TSA doesn’t have the growth and why TSA is furloughing.

PEACE OUT

The pilot group only had 1 chance to vote on the GJ flying. The agreement would have made our pay fall even more below industry average than it is now. Also there was wording in the contract that said that the company would be able to furlough pilots based on the equipment that they were on and not by senority. Since the 41s were leaving and the 145s "dont make enough money anymore" and the CRJ 700s are "where the growth is at" it didnt take rocket science to figure out that this basically gave the GJ guys furlough protected, cause we all know that the CRJ 700 would not be phased out of the company.

 

[great cornholio]

that is what you call out Station flying.

OK then how is GJ SAT flying gonna be a hub system?? Cause I dont see how SAT could be called anything else since we flew to it every other leg and went to different outstations. If GJ is gonna base pilots there then it would make SAT a domicile for GJ, not a "hub"

 

[Shrek]

..... ALPA National and TSA MEC, and MANAGEMET all felt that they came up with a great contract for TSA PILOT TO FLY GJ AIRPLANE which would have stapled GJ to the bottom of TSA based on date of hire!.......

Pilotbrain......do you really think that if you change the color of your post it would make your lie true?!

You need to get a new source of info ......

EVERY furlough over at TSA is on your heads.....remember that when your small paycheck comes in the 1st and 15th of every month.......bur I know all of you won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

How do you live with yourselves. Ah well just business right?

 

[pilotbrain]

OK then how is GJ SAT flying gonna be a hub system?? Cause I dont see how SAT could be called anything else since we flew to it every other leg and went to different outstations. If GJ is gonna base pilots there then it would make SAT a domicile for GJ, not a "hub"

Hub system ORD-SAT back to ORD, DEN-SAT back DEN, IAD-SAT-IAD get it,, tul-sat is an out station FLYING.


So you’re telling me that the only time that management offered the flying to TSA was after ALPA nation came to the negotiation table with management. YA OK! And that how GJ end up with some TSA PILOTS over at GJ right. If your going to lie do it so people might believe you.

sould have vote YES

 

[pilotbrain]

Here's what the TSA MEC says about this issue.....
800-282-ALPA(2572)... option 1, option 1

D.M. TSA MEC Chairman:

"... As per conversation with Capt. WHITE, the cause of these furloughs are a direct result of a loss of SAT flying being performed for our UAL code share partner. It was made very clear to the MEC that this loss of this flying was not a result of transfers to the Go-Jet operation. TSA mngt concluded that the SAT routes were not profitable enough, and therefore decided not to persue serving these routes, causeing us to park 2 EMB-145s over the next couple of months..."

 

[pilotbrain]

SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES, THAT ALL I HAVE kid BELIVE WHAT YOU WANT.
Peace out.

 

[POKEY]

had we voted yes to mgt's 1 and only offer, those pilots would still be on the street. The offer stated that GJ pilots would only be furloughed if GJ lost flying. Voting No is the only choice we had

 

[great cornholio]

Hub system ORD-SAT back to ORD, DEN-SAT back DEN, IAD-SAT-IAD get it,, tul-sat is an out station FLYING.


So you’re telling me that the only time that management offered the flying to TSA was after ALPA nation came to the negotiation table with management. YA OK! And that how GJ end up with some TSA PILOTS over at GJ right. If your going to lie do it so people might believe you.

sould have vote YES

Ok so SAT will be an outstation for GJ since you will fly to SAT from the different UA hubs. I would still call SAT a "hub" for the TSA stuff cause we flew to outstations around SAT. Either way thats a moot point.

Im not saying that the TSA management "offered" the flying to TSA only once. I am saying that the pilot group only voted on it once. It was a crap deal and with the furlough wording in it, we still would have TSA pilots on the streets while GJ pilots still flying even if we did vote yes.

You call me a liar, but I would like you to point out where I lied?
You said that the pilot group voted down the GJ flying 3 times, which is untrue as we only voted on it once and only once.

 

[pilotbrain]

Ok so SAT will be an outstation for GJ since you will fly to SAT from the different UA hubs. I would still call SAT a "hub" for the TSA stuff cause we flew to outstations around SAT. Either way thats a moot point.

Im not saying that the TSA management "offered" the flying to TSA only once. I am saying that the pilot group only voted on it once. It was a crap deal and with the furlough wording in it, we still would have TSA pilots on the streets while GJ pilots still flying even if we did vote yes.

You call me a liar, but I would like you to point out where I lied?
You said that the pilot group voted down the GJ flying 3 times, which is untrue as we only voted on it once and only once.

I really don’t know how bad this so called deal was, but it couldn’t have been all that bad since ALPA national and your MEC thought it was a good deal! End of discussion ALPA NATIONAL told you guys/gals to vote YES and you Voted NO! Know you want every airline to back you on something you AT TSA let go. Sorry man Wooo is me.

Should have voted YES

YES would have = GJ stapled to the bottom of TSA seniority list and GJ would have been ALPA not teamsters!

There would be no furloughs going on right now because GJ is still grow like crazy!

Hence it your own fault that your pilot group is being fourloughed.

Sorry but the truth hurts.