I'm getting Furloughed From TSA & I'm thinking Go Jet.

[flyinsick]

Have you looked at the lines lately? I would say that the average line is 85, not 90. Are you sure you work for TSA and get to look at our bid packet? The last time I had a line over 85 was over a year ago, and I've got several years seniority here.

Hey realbigfish

I counted the lines for May and 48 lines have over 90 hours in them. July has 38 lines over 90 hours. Thats all the bid packs I have. If you like I could count all the lines over the monthly guarantee. Oh yeah.... they all have over 80 hrs. my mistake.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Figure it out. Hulas will keep TSA to finish out the AX stuff. Once that contract expires, it will probably return to Eagle and then TSA will exist no more. Thanks DM.

 

[flyinsick]

Figure it out. Hulas will keep TSA to finish out the AX stuff. Once that contract expires, it will probably return to Eagle and then TSA will exist no more. Thanks DM.

I'd like to wait for TSA but this seems too likely. Maybe more furloughes to come.

 

[flyer172r]

I really don’t know how bad this so called deal was, but it couldn’t have been all that bad since ALPA national and your MEC thought it was a good deal! End of discussion ALPA NATIONAL told you guys/gals to vote YES and you Voted NO! Know you want every airline to back you on something you AT TSA let go. Sorry man Wooo is me.

Should have voted YES

YES would have = GJ stapled to the bottom of TSA seniority list and GJ would have been ALPA not teamsters!

There would be no furloughs going on right now because GJ is still grow like crazy!

Hence it your own fault that your pilot group is being fourloughed.

Sorry but the truth hurts.

Ok, first you admit you don't know how bad the deal was, then you continue to lecture us on why we should've voted yes. Did you not read the part where he said the proposed contract language would've still caused TSA pilots to be furloughed before GJ pilots? And nobody said it was a good deal, the only thing ALPA said was that it was the best deal we were going to get (that's what happens when management refuses to sit down with the MEC and have a real negotiation). The best crap is still crap. And I know for a fact the MEC tried to negotiate with the company after their proposal was rejected but management refused. That's the kind of management GJ is going to be working with, enjoy!

The truth is we can go on and on about whose fault it is that TSA guys are being furloughed, and nobody's mind is going to change. The reality is that almost all the furloughs are going somewhere else and will be better of for it, yet the GJ pilots will still be stuck with TSH management. I'll take a couple months of unemployment now in exchange for laughing at them in a few years when their honeymoon ends.

 

[millhouse21]

The reality is that almost all the furloughs are going somewhere else and will be better of for it, yet the GJ pilots will still be stuck with TSH management. I'll take a couple months of unemployment now in exchange for laughing at them in a few years when their honeymoon ends.

I agree completely. It will be a sweet day when Hulas tells you scumbags that the honeymoon is over. I really hope to be gone in a few months and will then happily watch from the sidelines as you reap what you have sown.

 

[rsspilot]

So lemme get this straight...

You're not blaming Go Jet pilots for accepting a job at a known alter-ego carrier taking growth and being used to whipsaw TSA pilots, and you're not blaming them after the first furlough, and you're not blaming them now with the annoucement of parking UAL 145s and replacing them with GJ 700s...

...but you *do* blame your own pilot group for picking up opentime and having lines built to 90 hours?

WTF???

If you were serious than you should strike....do it tomorrow...otherwise shut up and do your flying.

 

[rsspilot]

GJ guys will get what's coming to them in the near future because there's no way HK will ever play nice with a labor group. If you do go to GJ, enjoy not getting block or better while sitting on the taxiway at ORD. And don't be like the one GJ pilot I saw walking through the terminal at ORD with no hat on, ID hidden, and wings pulled off his jacket.

You'd be much better off instructing for a few more months and then trying to go to Chautauqua and getting STL based.

Interesting how this guy keeps talking about gj pilots walking with no hats on...id's hidden and wings pulled off.....than how the hell did he know it was a gj pilot.....just more typical anti gj bs lies. Block or better....just went form sat...to iad....blocked 3hr 15 min....took 245...got paid thirty more minutes for nothing....united gives us a very liberal block and we dont want block or better because they will then tighten the block.

 

[D'Angelo]

Interesting how this guy keeps talking about gj pilots walking with no hatd on...id's hidden and wings pulled off.....than how the hell did he know it was a gj pilot.....just more typical anti gj bs lies. Block or better....just went form sat...to iad....blocked 3hr 15 min....took 245...got paid thirty more minutes for nothing....united gives us a very liberal block and we dont want block or better because they will then tighten the block.

Stop that now there will be no facts on this board!! The union says your evil so you must be! They never bend the truth!

 

[thowe21]

WAIT! JUST ONE MINUTE,

Let’s talk about the very first opportunity that TSA had to fly GJ planes, when management offered longevity and same seniority list, why didn’t ALPA and your MEC send every TSA pilot over to GJ side and then vote in ALPA, knowing that your contract was up for negotiation in madder of months. First DUMB MOVE!

Second this final contract that TSA VOTED DOWN that they keep telling everyone that it was such a bad deal, ALPA National and TSA MEC, and MANAGEMET all felt that they came up with a great contract for TSA PILOT TO FLY GJ AIRPLANE which would have stapled GJ to the bottom of TSA based on date of hire!

These furloughs are nobody’s fault but TSA PILOTS!!!!

So are you upset that this negotiation would have put you at the bottom of the seniority list Well didn't you get hired after all of us at TSA? So why do you think your so special that you get to get ahead of everyone on the seniority list? You must be an awesome pilot that you don't need to wait your turn. I am also an exceptional pilot so I should go straight to captain position at UPS, I feel your pain dude!?!?!?!?!

 

[rjacobs]

ok, ive been drowning my sorrows for a few hours(if you know what I mean, and if you dont your a ********************ing SNAP), but I have to agree with Turkey Shoot on the thanks DM thing. I am/was only a probie(before I got furloghed), but I have been around the industry my whole life(alot of pilot union stuff from the old man). Our union has, for as long as I can tell(for several years before I came here) been doing nothing but pissing the company off. How can this improve labor relations when the company doesnt even respect the MEC. I will not say the union is the only thing to blame, but they did not help any situations. I know there are alot of TSA pilots that feel this way, but dont have the cahones to say it. OK, im the a-Hole for saying it, but ********************e. I have nothing to lose anyway. If somebody had stepped up two years ago, I would not be furloughed right now. I dont agree with GJ and will still continue to fly the NO GJ sticker and badge backer even while I find a new job and if somebody has a problem with it, FU, I feel that GJ is why I was just furloughed, even if MW says otherwise.

 

[Shrek]

Careers have been sacrificed by the MEC for one reason or another............hard to explain why someone has been off the property for over a year at an interview. They backed our pilot group and did what they thought was in the best interest of the pilots. For what?......was it the pay?.....nope..........was it the perks?......what getting fired?!

They did the job because they gave a s**t.

I know that the furlough blows........it hurts me personally (hopefully you believe that) but to lay blame (or at least part of it) on the feet of the MEC is misguided at the least.

Now if you want to PM me I will send your resume along to a better company........my college buddy has been working there for 7 years and has gotten people interviews for our furloughed pilots. More pay and better work rules from day one........kinda like what we have to fight for here - if TSA survives.

As far as labor relations go......you are right - Direct Deposit LOA for example. Did that help the pilots or did it help the company? Did the company want one list? Did the company furlough in the past in seniority order? What about the CQFO debacle?........I could go on......

Every pilot that has left/been fired/or been furloughed from TSA has gotten a much better job ----- ironic because rapidly we are becoming THE bottom. That is why we voted NO on G0 Jet and that is why we are in negotiations for better.

 

[BoilerUP]

If you were serious than you should strike....do it tomorrow...otherwise shut up and do your flying.

It should be obvious that because my profile says CL65 and not E145 I'm not a pilot for TSA dumbass. I do however have alot of friends there, friends that have and are getting furloughed right now because of Go Jet.

 

[Shrek]

Illegal work actions are SHOCKINGLY .........................

ILLEGAL

 

[punkpilot48]

Illegal work actions are SHOCKINGLY .........................

ILLEGAL

priceless logic.....:laugh:

 

[rsspilot]

So are you upset that this negotiation would have put you at the bottom of the seniority list Well didn't you get hired after all of us at TSA? So why do you think your so special that you get to get ahead of everyone on the seniority list? You must be an awesome pilot that you don't need to wait your turn. I am also an exceptional pilot so I should go straight to captain position at UPS, I feel your pain dude!?!?!?!?!

He isn't upset at all.....you said tsa said no to crj 700 flying for only a dollar an hour raise.....they said no....so furloughs are their own fault...maybe next time when a good deal comes around they wont get greedy and try to get horizon pay when the rest of the industry is paying skywest pay...by the way...which is what we get......"THEY made their decision....now THEY need to be happy about it."

 

[rsspilot]

ok, ive been drowning my sorrows for a few hours(if you know what I mean, and if you dont your a ********************ing SNAP), but I have to agree with Turkey Shoot on the thanks DM thing. I am/was only a probie(before I got furloghed), but I have been around the industry my whole life(alot of pilot union stuff from the old man). Our union has, for as long as I can tell(for several years before I came here) been doing nothing but pissing the company off. How can this improve labor relations when the company doesnt even respect the MEC. I will not say the union is the only thing to blame, but they did not help any situations. I know there are alot of TSA pilots that feel this way, but dont have the cahones to say it. OK, im the a-Hole for saying it, but ********************e. I have nothing to lose anyway. If somebody had stepped up two years ago, I would not be furloughed right now. I dont agree with GJ and will still continue to fly the NO GJ sticker and badge backer even while I find a new job and if somebody has a problem with it, FU, I feel that GJ is why I was just furloughed, even if MW says otherwise.

Cry and Blame, Cry and Blame, Cry and Blame.........nobody but your own fault...YOU turned down flying that is legal and is going to happen whether you want it or not......be a man and quit crying like a small school girl.

 

[rsspilot]

Illegal work actions are SHOCKINGLY .........................

ILLEGAL

Yes....and legal work actions are SCHOCKINGLY.........................LEGAL. No go do your job....enjoy it and quit hating the world......your only raising your own blood pressure and gonna give yourself a heart attack.....You didnt want the flying....what a surprise.....you dont have it. NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF.....LIVE WITH YOUR DECISION AND MOVE ON.

 

[TSA ERJ]

You GJ guys are real pieces of work. Your reputation in the industry is solidified. Everyone sees you for what you really are. Make no mistake, your actions will be remembered and you will carry the stink of GJ wherever you go no matter how you try to spin the situation. You are all alter ego, whipsaw enablers and opportunists.

 

[rjacobs]

Cry and Blame, Cry and Blame, Cry and Blame.........nobody but your own fault...YOU turned down flying that is legal and is going to happen whether you want it or not......be a man and quit crying like a small school girl.

Thanks ass hole, kick me when im down, I didnt work there when the vote came down, nobody that is getting furloughed was. Alot of people were on probation and couldnt vote either. So it was because of the people that did vote that we are now out of jobs, so who is really to blame, GJ or our own pilots. While I commend them for standing up to management it is now coming back to haunt everybody and people are going, hmmm maybe we should have worked harder at making this work. I would have voted for the flying because I look further than a few days, which alot of people cant.

 

[swordfish]

if you just voted yes

 

[temcgrew]

if you just voted yes

You are the biggest jerk I've seen on this board in a long time.

I did vote YES. Not all pilots at TSA thought the same way, and yes they should have listened to me and everything would be o.k.

BTW, thanks for the Continental deal. I've had my app in there for about 2 years now. could you ask your dad to help me out and have mercy on me since your all powerfull and stuff? I'm sure you have great influence there on what airlines get interviews or not.

All of you g0jet guys need to shut up and just be happy you have jobs.

I might not have one in a while if furloughs keep up, in the mean time, I get a big paycut.

Putting the blame on the TSA pilot group for these furloughs is just wrong and a total lie. This is the product of the TSH management and you all at g0jet will find out soon enough how they deal with people.

Remember that the majority of people affected are innocent hard working people that are either just starting a career or have had a very tough career and are now getting knocked down again by a group of guys like you who are now trying to put the blame on the TSA pilot group. For me this will be my 3rd paycut in less than 5 years. Yes I could have gone to g0jet, not all of us could and that is the sad part. Those that went from TSA really did stab their brothers in the back, it was a horrible thing to do. Most of the guys were captains already and most likely broke even on pay at the very least. This whole thing is stupid and all of you on here trying to defend g0jet and place the blame on US AT TSA are the worst kinds of people on the planet.

By the way, I know a few TSA guys who were hired at CAL in the past month, did they just slip by your dad?

 

[swordfish]

so then say it go jets fault

 

[Shrek]

Jumpseated today on US mainline. Right after the introductions they both asked how the G0 Jet issue was going........didn't even need to bring it up

After the briefing......they shook their heads and made a few choice comments.

WOW I guess the word IS getting out......surprised I am not.

You will get yours G0 Jet.....if not by the industry then by the very hand that is patting all of you on the back.

 

[TSA145]

Interesting how this guy keeps talking about gj pilots walking with no hats on...id's hidden and wings pulled off.....than how the hell did he know it was a gj pilot.....just more typical anti gj bs lies. Block or better....just went form sat...to iad....blocked 3hr 15 min....took 245...got paid thirty more minutes for nothing....united gives us a very liberal block and we dont want block or better because they will then tighten the block.

Ha-ha.....every pilot I know gets paid AT LEAST the scheduled block time.....MORON......

 

[swordfish]

except swa

 

[rsspilot]

Ha-ha.....every pilot I know gets paid AT LEAST the scheduled block time.....MORON......

Can you even read....did I say that we got less than scheduled? Should've voted yes....your never ending crying proves it.

 

[TSA145]

Can you even read....did I say that we got less than scheduled? Should've voted yes....your never ending crying proves it.

just went form sat...to iad....blocked 3hr 15 min....took 245...got paid thirty more minutes for nothing....

Isn't getting paid for 3:15 (scheduled block time for GJ5676) when it actually took you 2:45 getting paid "block" time?........MORON

 

[Skippy]

Oh my Gosh what a bunch of Pu$$ys.

The UAL LOA was ********************-- 40 planes = 5 crews per plane , ( to be conservative) so thats 10 pilots per plane-- stay with me people.

For every 70 seater, we had to have 5 UAL positions set aside for the UAL furloughees-- 3 of which MUST be on the 70 seater jet-- the others could be anywhere-- but since we're shrinking -- they would end up on the 70 seater anyway. At that time they had what 100 g0jetters.

SO 200 UAL positions plus the 100 G0jetters they already had = 300 positions -- leaving only a meager 100 pilot position opportunities for TSAers at an unpredictable rate for cpt's-- they could simply hire cpt's off the street anbd only hire fo's to keep cost structure down-- dont think TSAH wouldn't do that-- they even said they would-- so you would have as many UAL furloughees flying as 1st year cpt as they could get their hands on.
Loopholes, loopholes, loo

Funny how noone talks of the above scenario...


So to sign a 5 year contract extension for a worst case scenario of 100 "FO" opportunites would be irresponsible to the TSA piot group as a whole.

I voted no then, i would vote no still. TSAer's would still get furloughed before g0jetters--

 

[thinairupthere]

thank you skippy--- well put

 

[spiffomatic]

Block or better....just went form sat...to iad....blocked 3hr 15 min....took 245...got paid thirty more minutes for nothing....united gives us a very liberal block and we dont want block or better because they will then tighten the block.

My goodness are you dumb! No, actually it truly IS amazing how stupid you are. First, you got paid block for getting in early. Wow, big surprise. Do you realize that's how it's done nearly everywhere. Except, most get block or BETTER, so when you get stuck on the ground in IAD or IAH or ORD or LGA or PHL or anywhere where you might unfortunately find yourself as number 40 for takeoff from time to time, with 2+hours on the ground, you are SURE going to love your BLOCK. Those are always the most challenging of flights in many ways, and I sure would like to get compensated if it actually takes me 5 hours to get somewhere.

Aside from that, with respect to you getting in 30 min early (and actually being EXCITED about getting your block pay.... seriously, you've got to be kidding me)

1) you probably could have saved your code share partners some cash by slowing it down a little... I'm sure, with fuel around $3/gal, they would have appreciated it... connections don't hinge on getting places early... just on time, (save for the go home leg after a 4 day trip)

2) winds from the west have certainly been decent these past few days... so big surprise. You got in early. Yay. I can't possibly imagine United is going to continue to be generous with your block, if they actually are now. They often adjust in every contract I've ever seen. If it always actually does take you 30 min less to get somewhere, the block is going to come down. That's just the way it goes.

3) I'm still honestly amazed that you mentioned this. It REALLY makes you come across like the 500 hour pilot that you assuredly are. Come on kid. You can probably barely run an emergency checklist. Don't think you can also intelligently defend the actions of your beloved G0Jets. You're killing me. Read a few books about the history of the airline industry. No... First read your contract carefully. Take copious notes. Then get your hands on a few other contracts (many are public record). Take notes on them and compare. Think about it for a long time. Then recall how G0Jets got its start, by stabbing Trans States in the back. Think about all of that and be proud, kid. Because if you can fool yourself into that, you can fool yourself into enjoying the rest of the shadow of a career you've created for yourself.

Cheers kid. You've got a lot to learn.