I'm getting Furloughed From TSA & I'm thinking Go Jet.

[flyer172r]

Interesting how this guy keeps talking about gj pilots walking with no hats on...id's hidden and wings pulled off.....than how the hell did he know it was a gj pilot.

Two reasons. One is process of elimination. Pilots for every other carrier that flies in that concourse, be it TSA, Shuttle America, Skywest, Mesa, probably one or two I forgot, have no problem wearing their ID out in the open, and I never see anyone from those companies wearing wingless jackets. Second reason is simple logic. If I see a guy coming from a gate where a GJ plane is parked (not in the process of de-planing), then logically that guy would be a GJ pilot.

 

[flyinsick]

Go Jet has separate management??

 

[ATTCS]

Interesting how this guy keeps talking about gj pilots walking with no hats on...id's hidden and wings pulled off.....than how the hell did he know it was a gj pilot.....just more typical anti gj bs lies. Block or better....just went form sat...to iad....blocked 3hr 15 min....took 245...got paid thirty more minutes for nothing....united gives us a very liberal block and we dont want block or better because they will then tighten the block.

It is very obvious you haven't been in this industry very long. The phrase 'block or better' means that if you would have blocked 4 hours that you would have been paid 4 hours instead of 3hr 15 min. You don't want that?! I wonder, can you hear everyone laughing at you? Can you hear the laughter?

I have seen GJ folks getting off the plane after the pax hiding their ids. Maybe it was you. If you are a pilot and not management. Also think of this. TSA is your sister company. How TSH treats their contract is how they will treat whatever contract you get. Look at the history of this.

 

[SUSPilot]

Block or better....just went form sat...to iad....blocked 3hr 15 min....took 245...got paid thirty more minutes for nothing....united gives us a very liberal block and we dont want block or better because they will then tighten the block.

what a retard. I just looked up some times from a day on one of my United trips earlier in the month (since united flying is what you are taking from us right now causing me to get furloughed). I flew a flight from SYR to IAD blocked at 1:25 due to a ground stop at IAD the actual time was 2:56 and we were paid for 2:56. Later in the day the weather had cleared and we flew from IAD-TYS which was blocked at 1:30. It only took 1:21 and we were paid for 1:30. So for those two legs I was paid 4:26 while once you guys take it over you would have been paid 2:55. That dollar an hour more you make than us looks great doesn't it.

 

[punkpilot48]

Go Jet has separate management??

No they don't.

 

[TSA Pilot]

Let me put it in perspective for you sparky. You are only making what? $58 dollars an hour? I make $1.10 A MINUTE.. and my clock doesnt stop until I get to the gate and the door opens!!

Hell, if I block in 4 minutes over scheduled time on a trip blocked at 1 : 00, I just made as much as a 9 year Go-Jet captain.

GET IT NOW?

 

[aviatornick]

Let me put it in perspective for you sparky. You are only making what? $58 dollars an hour? I make $1.10 A MINUTE.. and my clock doesnt stop until I get to the gate and the door opens!!

Hell, if I block in 4 minutes over scheduled time on a trip blocked at 1 : 00, I just made as much as a 9 year Go-Jet captain.

GET IT NOW?

nice!:beer:

 

[Motive Flow]

Yes....and legal work actions are SCHOCKINGLY.........................LEGAL.

No go do your job....enjoy it and quit hating the world......your only raising your own blood pressure and gonna give yourself a heart attack.....You didnt want the flying....what a surprise.....you dont have it. NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF.....LIVE WITH YOUR DECISION AND MOVE ON.

Please name ONE legal work action, besides a strike after a 30 day cooling off period.

Oh, and the liberal block times statement, that's a good one. Keep dreaming. Those block times will be whittled down.

 

[Turbosnake03]

I make $1.10 A MINUTE.. and my clock doesnt stop until I get to the gate and the door opens!!

Hell, if I block in 4 minutes over scheduled time on a trip blocked at 1 : 00, I just made as much as a 9 year Go-Jet captain.

GET IT NOW?

untill you are displaced back to a FO after the 70 seaters are doing all the united flying :beer: , because you didn't vote yes. enjoy the $1.10 a minute while it lasts.

 

[Frequency]

Let me put it in perspective for you sparky. You are only making what? $58 dollars an hour? I make $1.10 A MINUTE.. and my clock doesnt stop until I get to the gate and the door opens!!

Hell, if I block in 4 minutes over scheduled time on a trip blocked at 1 : 00, I just made as much as a 9 year Go-Jet captain.

GET IT NOW?

Excellent one TSA Pilot!! :beer:

Turbosnake, even as an FO they will still get paid by the minute..:laugh: and we wont have to turn our badges backwards.

you still dont get it do you?

 

[Shrek]

They never will........until they wonder why their contract is taking so long - maybe they will cross their own picketline......lol

 

[Turbosnake03]

Excellent one TSA Pilot!! :beer:

Turbosnake, even as an FO they will still get paid by the minute..:laugh: and we wont have to turn our badges backwards.

you still dont get it do you?

ummmm i think i get it.

TSA parking airplanes and 50+ pilots going to the street

GJ has 35 more orders for 700's and hiring 25+ per month for awhile.

and your right, TSA guys will get paid by the minute.. untill they are gone.

i would rather take the job now, and worry about a contract later. Instead of losing eveything now and having to start over at year one with another regional. You guys want to call GJ a career killer. So far the only careers it is affecting is yours. good luck. should have voted YES

 

[Turbosnake03]

They never will........until they wonder why their contract is taking so long - maybe they will cross their own picketline......lol

It would be the first picketline that got crossed now wouldn't it? we all know TSA never was on strike. They sure want to cry like they were.

 

[Shrek]

Never said that we were..........tool

 

[rsspilot]

It is very obvious you haven't been in this industry very long. The phrase 'block or better' means that if you would have blocked 4 hours that you would have been paid 4 hours instead of 3hr 15 min. You don't want that?! I wonder, can you hear everyone laughing at you? Can you hear the laughter?

I have seen GJ folks getting off the plane after the pax hiding their ids. Maybe it was you. If you are a pilot and not management. Also think of this. TSA is your sister company. How TSH treats their contract is how they will treat whatever contract you get. Look at the history of this.

what I said was......we are getting schedule of 245....thus paid on 245...yet the actual block time was 215....parking brake to parking brake....i see 30 mins more pay for flying i didn't do....im sure your schedule shows 245 because you have a very tight schedule versus actual....Im sure that your response will be insults and four letter words....lets hear em.

 

[rsspilot]

what a retard. I just looked up some times from a day on one of my United trips earlier in the month (since united flying is what you are taking from us right now causing me to get furloughed). I flew a flight from SYR to IAD blocked at 1:25 due to a ground stop at IAD the actual time was 2:56 and we were paid for 2:56. Later in the day the weather had cleared and we flew from IAD-TYS which was blocked at 1:30. It only took 1:21 and we were paid for 1:30. So for those two legs I was paid 4:26 while once you guys take it over you would have been paid 2:55. That dollar an hour more you make than us looks great doesn't it.

Then you shouldve voted yes.....all must be great in your world so why you so hateful.

 

[rsspilot]

Let me put it in perspective for you sparky. You are only making what? $58 dollars an hour? I make $1.10 A MINUTE.. and my clock doesnt stop until I get to the gate and the door opens!!

Hell, if I block in 4 minutes over scheduled time on a trip blocked at 1 : 00, I just made as much as a 9 year Go-Jet captain.

GET IT NOW?

Then why are you being such a whiney bitch.....I'll tell you why....because you didnt vote yes.

 

[rsspilot]

My goodness are you dumb! No, actually it truly IS amazing how stupid you are. First, you got paid block for getting in early. Wow, big surprise. Do you realize that's how it's done nearly everywhere. Except, most get block or BETTER, so when you get stuck on the ground in IAD or IAH or ORD or LGA or PHL or anywhere where you might unfortunately find yourself as number 40 for takeoff from time to time, with 2+hours on the ground, you are SURE going to love your BLOCK. Those are always the most challenging of flights in many ways, and I sure would like to get compensated if it actually takes me 5 hours to get somewhere.

Aside from that, with respect to you getting in 30 min early (and actually being EXCITED about getting your block pay.... seriously, you've got to be kidding me)

1) you probably could have saved your code share partners some cash by slowing it down a little... I'm sure, with fuel around $3/gal, they would have appreciated it... connections don't hinge on getting places early... just on time, (save for the go home leg after a 4 day trip)

2) winds from the west have certainly been decent these past few days... so big surprise. You got in early. Yay. I can't possibly imagine United is going to continue to be generous with your block, if they actually are now. They often adjust in every contract I've ever seen. If it always actually does take you 30 min less to get somewhere, the block is going to come down. That's just the way it goes.

3) I'm still honestly amazed that you mentioned this. It REALLY makes you come across like the 500 hour pilot that you assuredly are. Come on kid. You can probably barely run an emergency checklist. Don't think you can also intelligently defend the actions of your beloved G0Jets. You're killing me. Read a few books about the history of the airline industry. No... First read your contract carefully. Take copious notes. Then get your hands on a few other contracts (many are public record). Take notes on them and compare. Think about it for a long time. Then recall how G0Jets got its start, by stabbing Trans States in the back. Think about all of that and be proud, kid. Because if you can fool yourself into that, you can fool yourself into enjoying the rest of the shadow of a career you've created for yourself.

Cheers kid. You've got a lot to learn.

Thats where you are dead wrong....United wants us to go fast....thus the liberal scheduled block times....U are encouraged to fly slow and pad your wallets....this is killing the Industry....you should always try to go fast...makes your customers happy.....as far as flying 74...this is so far behind the power curve...U arnt saving anyone money...just making your own self richer....78 is way more econimical and makes our passenger happy....the only way to go....I'll say it again....U shouldve voted yes.....gonna print up some bag stickers to say this.

 

[punkpilot48]

Whats with this? Do you fly the ERJ or the CRJ? If you are at GJ and you fly the 700 why are you flying a 145 limit? YOu shoulda studied a little harder in ground school and not what people voted.

as far as flying 74...this is so far behind the power curve...U arnt saving anyone money...just making your own self richer....78 is way more econimical and makes our passenger happy....

BLock or better is not for padding wallets its so when you have an hour groundsit or hold that is unaviodable you actully get paid to be working.

 

[Reebo]

.....as far as flying 74...this is so far behind the power curve...U arnt saving anyone money...just making your own self richer....78 is way more econimical and makes our passenger happy.

That's why the company has just started a fuel "savings" program where the EMB-145 uses a cruise mach of .74. It's not to make ourselves richer, but common sense tells you that saving fuel when it's at an all time high is the way to go. By the way, .78 is our max cruise speed, not very economical. I'm sure "Mother United" will have G0Jet flying at long range cruise real soon.

 

[Reebo]

...you should always try to go fast...makes your customers happy.....

Arriving 30 minutes early, with no gate available, dosen't make customers very happy.

 

[flyinsick]

ok

Anyone know how many furloughs went to Go Jet???

 

[Shrek]

......0

 

[MINIME]

Thats where you are dead wrong....United wants us to go fast....thus the liberal scheduled block times....U are encouraged to fly slow and pad your wallets....this is killing the Industry....you should always try to go fast...makes your customers happy.....as far as flying 74...this is so far behind the power curve...U arnt saving anyone money...just making your own self richer....78 is way more econimical and makes our passenger happy....the only way to go....I'll say it again....U shouldve voted yes.....gonna print up some bag stickers to say this.

That's quite a statement coming from someone who is actively killing the industry for us all, by being a tool for a ruthless management. You are well aware that you are (as we speak) affecting real lives aren't you? You seem to take pride and joy in knowing that these guys are getting furloughed! You then try to cover everything by simply trying to pass blame and saying, "you should've voted yes." Sorry pal, that doesn't cut it. Anyone in this industry with a little common sense and a bit of ethics and morals will tell you that that's simply BS.

I don't claim to know all the details of what was offered to these guys. But I have enough friends at TSA that have given me an overview. Guess what? I'll believe any of them any day of the week and twice on Sundays before I accept your reasoning. It's my understanding that the TSA pilots were not being protected in case of a furlough. Well, they are now furloughing and TSA pilots would still be getting furloughed wouldn't they? Bottom line is, these guys were just trying to better their lives and eventually the rest of ours by trying to raise the bar or at least keep it level.

Then you came in and joined that outfit and pretty much made that goal almost impossible. Make no mistake about it, this is not only about payrates and block or better. Rather, it's about the cancer that an alter ego brings to this industry by rendering pilots almost powerless when their work is being outsourced to the lowest taker. No amount of shouldas, wouldas and passing of blame is gonna change that. My personal opinion is that I don't place all the blame on managements. Afterall, their job is to make money. I do however, put blame on the persons that allow themselves to become tools of such managements and literally stabbing the backs of their fellow pilots for their own so called advancement. And "yes" I do know about the joke of a ruling the NMB made. It's still wrong.

 

[rsspilot]

That's quite a statement coming from someone who is actively killing the industry for us all, by being a tool for a ruthless management. You are well aware that you are (as we speak) affecting real lives aren't you? You seem to take pride and joy in knowing that these guys are getting furloughed! You then try to cover everything by simply trying to pass blame and saying, "you should've voted yes." Sorry pal, that doesn't cut it. Anyone in this industry with a little common sense and a bit of ethics and morals will tell you that that's simply BS.

I don't claim to know all the details of what was offered to these guys. But I have enough friends at TSA that have given me an overview. Guess what? I'll believe any of them any day of the week and twice on Sundays before I accept your reasoning. It's my understanding that the TSA pilots were not being protected in case of a furlough. Well, they are now furloughing and TSA pilots would still be getting furloughed wouldn't they? Bottom line is, these guys were just trying to better their lives and eventually the rest of ours by trying to raise the bar or at least keep it level.

Then you came in and joined that outfit and pretty much made that goal almost impossible. Make no mistake about it, this is not only about payrates and block or better. Rather, it's about the cancer that an alter ego brings to this industry by rendering pilots almost powerless when their work is being outsourced to the lowest taker. No amount of shouldas, wouldas and passing of blame is gonna change that. My personal opinion is that I don't place all the blame on managements. Afterall, their job is to make money. I do however, put blame on the persons that allow themselves to become tools of such managements and literally stabbing the backs of their fellow pilots for their own so called advancement. And "yes" I do know about the joke of a ruling the NMB made. It's still wrong.

Looks impressive.....shoulda voted yes

 

[redbook]

Looks impressive.....shoulda voted yes

Your resume does not...should have said no to g0jet.

 

[rjacobs]

Anyone know how many furloughs went to Go Jet???

Actually Shrek, I heard one or two did go over there and if thats true then they are SCABS, crossing a furlough line to get the job. I bet I could guess a few peoples names who were in my class in Jan who would do that. And Minime, I dont think we would be getting furloughed since GJ is growing, they would just have "displaced" us or when we went through class originally it would have been on the 700. I dont know if thats what would have happened, but I think it is.

OH, yeah, the ignore function is nice. I cant see almost every other post on this site anymore because rsspilot is on it. It makes this place enjoyable again.

 

[flyinsick]

Actually Shrek, I heard one or two did go over there and if thats true then they are SCABS, crossing a furlough line to get the job. I bet I could guess a few peoples names who were in my class in Jan who would do that. And Minime, I dont think we would be getting furloughed since GJ is growing, they would just have "displaced" us or when we went through class originally it would have been on the 700. I dont know if thats what would have happened, but I think it is.

OH, yeah, the ignore function is nice. I cant see almost every other post on this site anymore because rsspilot is on it. It makes this place enjoyable again.

Is there really a furlough line now???

 

[rjacobs]

well, what I meant was that now people are crossing a line. TSA is furloughing while blowjets is hiring so there is a new line people are crossing. Going to work for a company where the flying is somebody elses while that company is shrinking, but I guess since we are seperate companies they really arent crossing any lines anyway. I wonder how much HK's attorneys make who spend all day figuring out how to get around contract items as well as find loopholes in certain laws. I might go into law and try to get that job, i bet it pays pretty well.

 

[flyinsick]

Before being furloughed from Trans States I made it a point to ask other pilots about the Go Jet option. Let me make this clear, I did not ask Trans States pilots. In my travels, I, and friends that I had asked to find out about the general opinion about Go Jet. We must have surveyed together over 100 captains from other regional and major airlines. And..... "It seems it would be a career ending move." Some Captains even showed me a list in their flight bag of all the pilots that are now working for Go Jet. The word is out.

But I feel bad for the young people that had that aviation sparkle in their eye and hopes to go big, For getting caught up in this mess. They knew no better.


And for that I am Flyinsick.....