I thought riding on airline could not get any worse

[gutshotdraw]

Actually I think we are going 121, getting new AOM's instead of our FOM etc.. This is in combining NJI, NJA, and NJLA under one certificate.

Um, yeah. Gun, NJI, NJA, NJLA, and EJM (and the Bradley Beach Club too!) will continue to operate under separate certificates. Indefinitely.

As to the CASS issue, the point is not cockpit access. Your company can belong to CASS but the jumpseat is still the property of the carrier (and, theoretically, the Captain) and unless you have a jumpseat agreement the carrier is under no obligation to allow you in the cockpit, CASS or not.

NJASAP and the company are pursuing CASS certification under the COMMERCIAL OPERATING CERTIFICATES they already hold (and there are many Part 135 companies registered in CASS) in order to get crewmembers through security in a more timely fashion, especially at locations where security has been, ahem, problematic (i.e. CMH, HPN).

 

[gunfyter]

You didn't hear about the 757's we are getting?

 

[BeeDubya]

NJASAP and the company are pursuing CASS certification under the COMMERCIAL OPERATING CERTIFICATES they already hold (and there are many Part 135 companies registered in CASS) in order to get crewmembers through security in a more timely fashion, especially at locations where security has been, ahem, problematic (i.e. CMH, HPN).

The company has interests in CASS, in addition to timely security passage for crewmembers.

Further, we are getting (or already have) exceptions to part 135 allowing the use of 121 rules, in some areas of our operation.

 

[Hung Start]

Just curious:

Since all of us Frac guys have gone through TSA and Customs overflight screening, how tough is CASS? It seems as if it is a redundant check. Other than getting fancier badges, what is the process?

And, for CASS to really work, doesn't it have to be somewhat reciprocal? I mean, why would AA want to allow us free rides, when there is no practical way we can give their crews a ride?

Hung

 

[gutshotdraw]

Yeah Gun, been hearing about those big planes for, oh, about 9 years now.....

BeeDub, true enough. NJI already has a Part 121 training exemption so that we only have to do checkrides once a year and our other training cycle is just that: training. I wouldn't be surprised to see other parts of 121 creep into the operation.

Hung, jumpseat agreements are between carriers. CASS is a TSA-run security system. Big difference.
We don't have any jumpseat agreements that I know of because we CAN'T reciprocate and that isn't the point of the exercise anyway.

 

[Hung Start]

Thanks

It seemed every time I saw reference to CASS, it involved jumpseating and cockpit access.

Didn't know there was a difference.

Hung

 

[glasspilot]

CASS relates to jumpseating because if you want to actually occupy the jumpseat (the one in the cockpit) you must be listed on the TSA CASS program to certify that you are a real live pilot who has passed the background checks.

So you need two things. 1. permission from the airline (via a jumpseat agreement usually) and, 2. CASS credentials to actually sit in the cockpit.

By the way, CASS stands for "Cockpit Acess Security System".

 

[BeeDubya]

By the way, CASS stands for "Cockpit Acess Security System".

True that. I would venture a guess that it is the "Security System" aspect that NJ is more interested in, rather than "Cockpit Access."

 

[BeeDubya]

BeeDub, true enough. NJI already has a Part 121 training exemption so that we only have to do checkrides once a year and our other training cycle is just that: training. I wouldn't be surprised to see other parts of 121 creep into the operation.

You don't say....

 

[sshrae]

CASS relates to jumpseating because if you want to actually occupy the jumpseat (the one in the cockpit) you must be listed on the TSA CASS program to certify that you are a real live pilot who has passed the background checks.

So you need two things. 1. permission from the airline (via a jumpseat agreement usually) and, 2. CASS credentials to actually sit in the cockpit.

By the way, CASS stands for "Cockpit Acess Security System".

fascinating stuff, you really are a super genius.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yeah Gun, been hearing about those big planes for, oh, about 9 years now.....

BeeDub, true enough. NJI already has a Part 121 training exemption so that we only have to do checkrides once a year and our other training cycle is just that: training. I wouldn't be surprised to see other parts of 121 creep into the operation.

Hung, jumpseat agreements are between carriers. CASS is a TSA-run security system. Big difference.
We don't have any jumpseat agreements that I know of because we CAN'T reciprocate and that isn't the point of the exercise anyway.

:laugh: Holding a 121 certificate is not the same as training to the standards of one. If the carrier is not a Part 121 certificate holder, then you can't be in CASS. Get over it folks, not going to happen. You can't get an exemption to upgrade to 121. :laugh:

 

[brokeflyer]

glad we already got a 121 cert than.....

 

[BoilerUP]

If the carrier is not a Part 121 certificate holder, then you can't be in CASS.

In post #253 of this very thread, an Airnet pilot said that they were indeed in CASS, but did not operate 121.

Who is wrong?

 

[B19 Flyer]

In post #253 of this very thread, an Airnet pilot said that they were indeed in CASS, but did not operate 121.

Who is wrong?

I posted the guidance out of the Inspector's handbook. If they are not 121, they are not in CASS according to the guidance.

 

[GSXR600]

I have a friend that flies for Kalitta, he is on the Lear 25 which is the 135 side of the company, and he is on the CASS system and commutes every other week to DTW. So I dont know why we can't?