How was the ATL job fair?

[bobbysamd]

Bobbysamd's "tude"

Seeing as how there have been hundreds of over-40 regional pilots hired, I don't believe for a second that age discrimination had anything to do with you not getting hired.

Once again, as someone who bought his/her way in, you are in no position to criticize.

Once more, a point of clarification. I do not believe that over-forty pilots who have been flying for years and who have corporate, 135, military or other advanced experience suffer age discrimination. Members of the "club." Once more, I believe that career changers, such as myself, who started later and offer only flight instructing experience, such as my younger peers at the time, experience age discrimination.

Bad attitude is probably more likely.

No bad attitude here, my "friend." I fell over myself expressing my gratitude at being given even a few minutes of time, because my interviews were so few, and short in duration. When one is asked only a few basic questions, one has few opportunities to exhibit one's 'tude.

Bad attitude, as I understand it; correct me if I'm wrong; includes, e.g., exhibiting discourtesy to an interviewer, not answering questions, and acting as if being there is a waste of time. I was hired into other aviation jobs where employers spent more time with me, such as over a period of days at one company, and had plenty of opportunities to see my "bad" "attitude." In any event, I did not pay companies for any of my interviews.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Bobby once in a while has some good advice, but he spreads more bad gouge based on his bitterness and what sounds like an inability to accurately assess his failures than good. I'm guessing there's not a paralegal message board out there.

YIP has a lot of good advice to offer, but it's often hard to see it through the lunacy of his college degree theories.

I'm thinking, between the two of them, we could come up with enough bad advice to build the perfect un-hireable pilot.

 

[bobbysamd]

Bobby once in a while has some good advice, but he spreads more bad gouge based on his bitterness and what sounds like an inability to accurately assess his failures than good.

To thine ownself be true, Hugh. Everything I have related is based on my experiences.

I've always said that I am not the poster boy for aviation career building and hiring. I've learned from my experiences (which is something always emphasized for answering interview questions). That's why I have shared my experiences, maybe more freely than I should. Perhaps others can learn from my mistakes, and experiences.

 

[PCL_128]

Once more, a point of clarification. I do not believe that over-forty pilots who have been flying for years and who have corporate, 135, miliary or other advanced experience suffer age discrimination. Members of the "club." Once more, I believe that career changers, such as myself, who started later and offer only flight instructing experience, such as my younger peers at the time, experience age discrimination.

I'm not talking military or other "connected" people Bobby. I fly all the time with captains that got their start in aviation over the age of 40 and had nothing but flight instructing or check hauling experience when they got their regional jobs. I had students also that have since gotten jobs at many different regionals even though they were over 40 when they started.

Maybe it wasn't bad attitude Bobby, I don't know. It could have been any number of things: failed checkrides, something bad on the background check, too many speeding tickets, whatever. The fact is that many pilots with your exact same level of experience at the exact same age received job offers at the same airlines you interviewed at. In my opinion, that rules out age discrimination.

 

[bobbysamd]

Age discrimination and interview problems ASIDE

I'm not talking military or other "connected" people Bobby. I fly all the time with captains that got their start in aviation over the age of 40 and had nothing but flight instructing or check hauling experience when they got their regional jobs. I had students also that have since gotten jobs at many different regionals even though they were over 40 when they started.

Maybe it wasn't bad attitude Bobby, I don't know. It could have been any number of things: failed checkrides, something bad on the background check, too many speeding tickets, whatever. The fact is that many pilots with your exact same level of experience at the exact same age received job offers at the same airlines you interviewed at. In my opinion, that rules out age discrimination.

Check hauling experience is 135 time, which makes one a club member and less susceptible to age discrimination. Even so, I had a friend, female, who had good 135 time hauling Ameriflight freight and flying Air Nevada ditch tours in the mid '80s. Far better qualified than me - and close to my age. Good role model. She tried for years to get an Horizon interview, unsuccessfully. But, some of our coworkers, with far less experience, no 135 and much younger, got interviews and jobs at Horizon.

In any event, despite factual evidence to the contrary, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

Check hauling experience is 135 time, which makes one a club member. In any event, despite factual evidence to the contrary, you are entitled to your opinion.

Sorry Bobby but you're wrong on the age thing. I know of 2 guys in their upper 30's who were hired at Skyway last year. One did only flight instructing (part-time no less) and the other built his flight time by boring holes in the sky. NEITHER came from the 135 world.

If you perceive age discrimination, that's your right. I just think you're wrong.

HMM

 

[bobbysamd]

I know of 2 guys in their upper 30's who were hired at Skyway last year. One did only flight instructing (part-time no less) and the other built his flight time by boring holes in the sky. NEITHER came from the 135 world.

If you perceive age discrimination, that's your right. I just think you're wrong.

I have another friend who is within days of my age (54). He interviewed at Trans-States about six years ago. He was 48. He had very high total time, about 8000+ hours, but was comparatively light on multi, about 700. He was not hired. He found out that he was not hired, flat-out, because of his age. This gentleman has been my friend for twelve years and I have no reason to doubt him.

I do not feel that I am wrong about age discrimination.

 

[PCL_128]

He was not hired. He found out that he was not hired, flat-out, because of his age.

Now how on Earth did he find this out for sure? Heard it through a friend of a friend? As a paralegal you should know that no employer in their right mind would ever admit to not hiring someone based on age.

 

[bobbysamd]

Straight from the horse's mouth

Now how on Earth did he find this out for sure? Heard it through a friend of a friend? As a paralegal you should know that no employer in their right mind would ever admit to not hiring someone based on age.

I don't know what being a paralegal has to do with it.

No, it was not hearsay. My friend explained that he was standing outside the interview venue and someone from Trans States told him.

This same friend told me recently he had a similar experience at an Aloha Island Air interview. He was told, flat-out, he was rejected because of age.

Here, again, facts.

 

[XGmaninGA]

I was hired at a regional at 42. I was not military. Was just a career government employee who instructed part-time. I appreciate the opportunity I was given, and I made the most of it. Today, I am a 737 Captain.

 

[PCL_128]

I don't know what being a paralegal has to do with it.

I just figured as a paralegal you would know that discriminating against those over the age of 40 is illegal. No company would ever admit to age discrimination for fear of a huge lawsuit.

 

[jppt2000]

No, it was not hearsay. My friend explained that he was standing outside the interview venue and someone from Trans States told him.

This same friend told me recently he had a similar experience at an Aloha Island Air interview. He was told, flat-out, he was rejected because of age.

Here, again, facts.

Booby, you are very bitter. It's easy to post stuff here when you aren't required to prove it.

You have an excuse, but I personally don't think you have the reason.

Maybe those evil interviewers didn't like your race, or religion, you might have a case Booby!

You diminish the accomplishments of over 40's everywhere with this
drivel:
intransitive senses
1 : to let saliva dribble from the mouth : SLAVER
2 : to talk stupidly and carelessly
transitive senses
1 : to utter in an infantile or imbecilic way
2 : to waste or fritter in a childish fashion
- driv·el·er /-v(&-)l&r/ noun
FLAME AWAY !

 

[bobbysamd]

I just figured as a paralegal you would know that discriminating against those over the age of 40 is illegal. No company would ever admit to age discrimination for fear of a huge lawsuit.

Yes, I have studied employment law on my own and am familiar with the Age Discrimination in Employment Act. The problem with age cases and employment discrimination cases, generally, is they are hard to prove. My friend was told what he was told, but try to find it in writing. It would boil down to his word against TSA's. Companies hide behind discriminatory practices by saying they liked the other applicants better, or that they had better qualified applicants, etc. whether or not it is true.

Inasmuch as you have asked, an airline's way out of practicing any kind of discrimination always is safety. The airlines cite age as a bona fide occupational qualification ("BFOQ") to hide behind age discrimination, see, e.g, Coupi v. Federal Express Corporation (this underlining is a link to the case). This was a Federal Court case in which a pilot who had turned age 60 sued to beat the age 60 rule. Perhaps this will change if Congress abolishes the Age 60 Rule.

 

[bobbysamd]

No, it was not hearsay. My friend explained that he was standing outside the interview venue and someone from Trans States told him.

This same friend told me recently he had a similar experience at an Aloha Island Air interview. He was told, flat-out, he was rejected because of age.

Here, again, facts.

Booby, you are very bitter. It's easy to post stuff here when you aren't required to prove it.

You have an excuse, but I personally don't think you have the reason.

Maybe those evil interviewers didn't like your race, or religion, you might have a case Booby!

You diminish the accomplishments of over 40's everywhere with this
drivel:
intransitive senses
1 : to let saliva dribble from the mouth : SLAVER
2 : to talk stupidly and carelessly
transitive senses
1 : to utter in an infantile or imbecilic way
2 : to waste or fritter in a childish fashion
- driv·el·er /-v(&-)l&r/ noun
FLAME AWAY !

Perhaps not required, but gladly volunteered, if you care to read.

Other than that, responding to this poster, who has a two-and-a-half year history of hurling insults and fleeing when confonted, is a waste of bandwidth.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

This same friend told me recently he had a similar experience at an Aloha Island Air interview. He was told, flat-out, he was rejected because of age.

Here, again, facts.

Here again, utter bull$hit. I was hired there at age 38. I have a good buddy who at age 37 was in the most recent new hire class....1200/200, late career-changer, all CFI time.