Go Around, BE PROFESSIONAL

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:nuts:

Unless they furlough past 2001. Then they have to come back and cut 6 turds out of your turd deflector.

I still like the idea of pre-printed bag tags for KUL/WMKK.

 

[JoeMerchant]

:nuts:

Unless they furlough past 2001. Then they have to come back and cut 6 turds out of your turd deflector.

I still like the idea of pre-printed bag tags for KUL/WMKK.

The bag tags will also come in two versions....Regional bag tags will be limited to 500NM from the hub....

 

[Rook]

Apparently Hollywood doesn't like DAL because their 'Dangerous'

http://thetravisty.com/Saturday_Night_Live/wmv/Iceman_-_The_Later_Years.htm

 

[JAM-BRO]

Hollywood

Some one elses bad planning is not your emergency... Fly your A/C...

 

[JAM-BRO]

Wrong. ATC can and will clear you below ClassB and will always advice you.....

I would fill out an ASAP for this. You went below class B and re-entered without being cleared. If flying to a class B ATC will not clear you below it.

I flew Citations for years and would have never flown Vapp from the marker in. That is ridiculous in a class B enviroment. Being professional also includes thinking outside the box a little and flying your airplane to help others. While being safe. I realized I was in a slower airplane and would accomadate...no big deal.

 

[mamba20]

At EWR it is standard procedure to fly 170 or 180 to the marker and then slow. If you don't do this you screw up the whole lot. The key is to be dirty and then just reduce the power. You will be slowed and in landing configuration by 1000 agl.

I've seen corporate aircraft doing this all over the place, being at vref at the marker. Thats great but at the same time you have to adjust to the airspace you are in. I've had to go around because it also. I didn't make any comments on the radio, I was happy for the overs.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

ALSO speed limits cannot be waived by ATC, they're written in stone.

Wrong.

 

[vixin]

Wrong. ATC can and will clear you below ClassB and will always advice you.....

I didnt say ATC wouldnt/couldnt.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wrong.

Wrong....200 below the Class B applies whether or not ATC wants you to go fast...Unless an inspector is looking over their shoulder....nobody really cares....

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Wrong....200 below the Class B applies whether or not ATC wants you to go fast...Unless an inspector is looking over their shoulder....nobody really cares....

I didn't say there are not instances when speeds cannot be waived by ATC. The post that I responded to said that speed limits are written in stone and ATC cannot waive them. That implies never, when in fact there are many instances in which they CAN.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I didn't say there are not instances when speeds cannot be waived by ATC. The post that I responded to said that speed limits are written in stone and ATC cannot waive them. That implies never, when in fact there are many instances in which they CAN.

Which FAR airspeeds can be waved by ATC?

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Which FAR airspeeds can be waved by ATC?

250 kts below 10000 in Class B is the one easy one I can think of. I believe the same applies to Class C and D limits if in a radar environment, but not sure about those.

 

[PCL_128]

250 kts below 10000 in Class B is the one easy one I can think of. I believe the same applies to Class C and D limits if in a radar environment, but not sure about those.

250 below 10k cannot be waived by a controller, no matter what airspace you're in.

 

[JoeMerchant]

250 below 10k cannot be waived by a controller, no matter what airspace you're in.

I didn't think so....I don't think ATC can waive any of the FAR Airspace speeds.....

 

[PCL_128]

I didn't think so....I don't think ATC can waive any of the FAR Airspace speeds.....

Agreed. Only "the Administrator" can waive FAR speed restrictions, and the controller is not "the Administrator." When IAH (or was it DFW? Can't remember) did the high speed climb below 10k program a few years ago, the FAA had to issue a special waiver. It's not something that the controller is able to do on his own.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Agreed. Only "the Administrator" can waive FAR speed restrictions, and the controller is not "the Administrator." When IAH (or was it DFW? Can't remember) did the high speed climb below 10k program a few years ago, the FAA had to issue a special waiver. It's not something that the controller is able to do on his own.

....it was IAH.....not that it matters in the ATR....:laugh:

 

[30West]

Which FAR airspeeds can be waved by ATC?

Any of them, at the crew's request, for performance reasons. Minimum clean at MGTOW was somewhere north of 280kt, in a former life.

 

[eaglesview]

WOW 198 posts because Delta had to go around.

 

[JoeMerchant]

WOW 198 posts because Delta had to go around.

....actually it wasn't because they had to go around...it was because they whined about it on the radio....

 

[rtmcfi]

I didn't say there are not instances when speeds cannot be waived by ATC. The post that I responded to said that speed limits are written in stone and ATC cannot waive them. That implies never, when in fact there are many instances in which they CAN.

I would hesitate to call a few heavies and military aircraft "many instances."

 

[JoeMerchant]

Any of them, at the crew's request, for performance reasons. Minimum clean at MGTOW was somewhere north of 280kt, in a former life.

....actually that is the FARs granting the crew the ability to wave the speed limits....Controllers can't wave FARs...Crews can for operational needs.....

 

[30West]

While we're picking nits, wouldn't "get off our runway" and "thanks ASA" technically be sterile cockpit violations?

 

[PCL_128]

....it was IAH.....not that it matters in the ATR....:laugh:

I'm starting to think that you ATR guys have it good. I've had quite a few ATR-ah pilots in the jumpseat the past few months, and they've been talking about all of these really short flights that you guys do into the small stations. I can't find a stand-up that's less than 1:25 each way of flight time next month in our bid pack. A stand-up to MSP? Shoot me now. Still better than 4-day trips, though.

 

[JAM-BRO]

I didnt say ATC wouldnt/couldnt.

You did....

I would fill out an ASAP for this. You went below class B and re-entered without being cleared. If flying to a class B ATC will not clear you below it. You wrote this, didn't you?

I flew Citations for years and would have never flown Vapp from the marker in. That is ridiculous in a class B enviroment. Being professional also includes thinking outside the box a little and flying your airplane to help others. While being safe. I realized I was in a slower airplane and would accomadate...no big deal.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'm starting to think that you ATR guys have it good. I've had quite a few ATR-ah pilots in the jumpseat the past few months, and they've been talking about all of these really short flights that you guys do into the small stations. I can't find a stand-up that's less than 1:25 each way of flight time next month in our bid pack. A stand-up to MSP? Shoot me now. Still better than 4-day trips, though.

4 day trips? Stand ups? Actually I did HHH standups in Jan....but I only did 5 of them....Flight time that month was about 8.5 hours.....

We do have it good....but not for much longer.....

Pretty soon I can worry about that 250 thing.....Cracks me up when an FO briefs the speed restriction on takeoff in the ATR....

 

[PCL_128]

4 day trips? Stand ups

Yep. I actually love stand-ups, since it keeps me home every day of the year, but the flights keep getting longer and longer since they hate paying the soft time. With the regular trips, almost everything is a 4-day trip. Very few 3-days, and virtually no 2-days. The 737 has more variety, though, with even a few lines with just day trips. Overall, though, we need some better language in the next TA to improve trip variety.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yep. I actually love stand-ups, since it keeps me home every day of the year, but the flights keep getting longer and longer since they hate paying the soft time. With the regular trips, almost everything is a 4-day trip. Very few 3-days, and virtually no 2-days. The 737 has more variety, though, with even a few lines with just day trips. Overall, though, we need some better language in the next TA to improve trip variety.

I'll stick with my 3 days....unless the easy 15 day off stand up lines come back.....We don't have a whole lot of 3 days......but there are enough....

That's why I'm not leaving....Schedule is most important to me.....

 

[FLYLOW22]

Landed my rig today in MEM with a FedEx MD10 behind us.

VFR Prevailed, beautiful day... 170kts to the marker as directed by ATC.

Maintained 170kts until slowing to be at Vref (98kts) by 500AGL.

Had a great view of an MD11 on approach to 18C along side of us all the way down.

Worked out fine.

MD10 behind us landed without any spacing issues. Of course he had to watch for our wake turbulence.

Gotta keep those throttles up.

Spacing on an IFR day would increase anyway... this thread is gay.

 

[aa73]

I can't tell you how many times I have seen American roll all the way to the end of the runway in ATL, What's up with that?

AA rolls down to the end for two reasons:

1. We fly very safely in these uncertain stressful times whereby distractions can cause us to lose focus on the primary mission - SAFETY

and

2. when we land west, our gates are down on the T concourse, which happens to be at the end of the 26s.

73

 

[CA1900]

Which FAR airspeeds can be waved by ATC?

91.117 lays this out as clear as day: the 200 knots within 4nm of a Class C or D primary airport, below 2500 feet AGL, can be waived by ATC. 250 below 10,000 can only be waived by the administrator.