Go Around, BE PROFESSIONAL

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:nuts:

Unless they furlough past 2001. Then they have to come back and cut 6 turds out of your turd deflector.

I still like the idea of pre-printed bag tags for KUL/WMKK.

 

[JoeMerchant]

:nuts:

Unless they furlough past 2001. Then they have to come back and cut 6 turds out of your turd deflector.

I still like the idea of pre-printed bag tags for KUL/WMKK.

The bag tags will also come in two versions....Regional bag tags will be limited to 500NM from the hub....

 

[Rook]

Apparently Hollywood doesn't like DAL because their 'Dangerous'

http://thetravisty.com/Saturday_Night_Live/wmv/Iceman_-_The_Later_Years.htm

 

[JAM-BRO]

Hollywood

Some one elses bad planning is not your emergency... Fly your A/C...

 

[JAM-BRO]

Wrong. ATC can and will clear you below ClassB and will always advice you.....

I would fill out an ASAP for this. You went below class B and re-entered without being cleared. If flying to a class B ATC will not clear you below it.

I flew Citations for years and would have never flown Vapp from the marker in. That is ridiculous in a class B enviroment. Being professional also includes thinking outside the box a little and flying your airplane to help others. While being safe. I realized I was in a slower airplane and would accomadate...no big deal.

 

[mamba20]

At EWR it is standard procedure to fly 170 or 180 to the marker and then slow. If you don't do this you screw up the whole lot. The key is to be dirty and then just reduce the power. You will be slowed and in landing configuration by 1000 agl.

I've seen corporate aircraft doing this all over the place, being at vref at the marker. Thats great but at the same time you have to adjust to the airspace you are in. I've had to go around because it also. I didn't make any comments on the radio, I was happy for the overs.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

ALSO speed limits cannot be waived by ATC, they're written in stone.

Wrong.

 

[vixin]

Wrong. ATC can and will clear you below ClassB and will always advice you.....

I didnt say ATC wouldnt/couldnt.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wrong.

Wrong....200 below the Class B applies whether or not ATC wants you to go fast...Unless an inspector is looking over their shoulder....nobody really cares....

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Wrong....200 below the Class B applies whether or not ATC wants you to go fast...Unless an inspector is looking over their shoulder....nobody really cares....

I didn't say there are not instances when speeds cannot be waived by ATC. The post that I responded to said that speed limits are written in stone and ATC cannot waive them. That implies never, when in fact there are many instances in which they CAN.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I didn't say there are not instances when speeds cannot be waived by ATC. The post that I responded to said that speed limits are written in stone and ATC cannot waive them. That implies never, when in fact there are many instances in which they CAN.

Which FAR airspeeds can be waved by ATC?

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Which FAR airspeeds can be waved by ATC?

250 kts below 10000 in Class B is the one easy one I can think of. I believe the same applies to Class C and D limits if in a radar environment, but not sure about those.

 

[PCL_128]

250 kts below 10000 in Class B is the one easy one I can think of. I believe the same applies to Class C and D limits if in a radar environment, but not sure about those.

250 below 10k cannot be waived by a controller, no matter what airspace you're in.

 

[JoeMerchant]

250 below 10k cannot be waived by a controller, no matter what airspace you're in.

I didn't think so....I don't think ATC can waive any of the FAR Airspace speeds.....

 

[PCL_128]

I didn't think so....I don't think ATC can waive any of the FAR Airspace speeds.....

Agreed. Only "the Administrator" can waive FAR speed restrictions, and the controller is not "the Administrator." When IAH (or was it DFW? Can't remember) did the high speed climb below 10k program a few years ago, the FAA had to issue a special waiver. It's not something that the controller is able to do on his own.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Agreed. Only "the Administrator" can waive FAR speed restrictions, and the controller is not "the Administrator." When IAH (or was it DFW? Can't remember) did the high speed climb below 10k program a few years ago, the FAA had to issue a special waiver. It's not something that the controller is able to do on his own.

....it was IAH.....not that it matters in the ATR....:laugh:

 

[30West]

Which FAR airspeeds can be waved by ATC?

Any of them, at the crew's request, for performance reasons. Minimum clean at MGTOW was somewhere north of 280kt, in a former life.

 

[eaglesview]

WOW 198 posts because Delta had to go around.

 

[JoeMerchant]

WOW 198 posts because Delta had to go around.

....actually it wasn't because they had to go around...it was because they whined about it on the radio....

 

[rtmcfi]

I didn't say there are not instances when speeds cannot be waived by ATC. The post that I responded to said that speed limits are written in stone and ATC cannot waive them. That implies never, when in fact there are many instances in which they CAN.

I would hesitate to call a few heavies and military aircraft "many instances."