Go Around, BE PROFESSIONAL

[vixin]

For the record, we flew 280 till 10000, then 250 till underlying class B then 200 to the OM. It was max legal speed all the way.

I would fill out an ASAP for this. You went below class B and re-entered without being cleared. If flying to a class B ATC will not clear you below it.

I flew Citations for years and would have never flown Vapp from the marker in. That is ridiculous in a class B enviroment. Being professional also includes thinking outside the box a little and flying your airplane to help others. While being safe. I realized I was in a slower airplane and would accomadate...no big deal.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well since this has degenerated into the usual major/regional pi$$ing contest...


1. The only airline that seems to roll all the way to the end in ATL is American.....

2. Only DAL asks for "windchecks" and "how longs the flying".....Why? The windcheck is meaningless and carefully listening to the frequency combined with looking at the TCAS can tell you how long the final is......

3. Mainline pilots seem to miss radio calls more than anyone....

4. I have had to throw out the anchor when following DAL into ATL in an ATR.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

I would fill out an ASAP for this. You went below class B and re-entered without being cleared. If flying to a class B ATC will not clear you below it.

WRONG!

1. ATL does this when the final is long.

2. When you're IFR, you don't need a "clearance" into class B....Do we need some airspace refreshers?

 

[eaglesview]

Doesn't FI have a regional section on this web site these jokers could go to??

 

[JoeMerchant]

Doesn't FI have a regional section on this web site these jokers could go to??

Maybe you can get ALPA to scope us off "your" message board.....Windcheck?

It's more fun to come over here and jerk your chain.....

 

[eaglesview]

Maybe you can get ALPA to scope us off "your" message board.....Windcheck?

It's more fun to come over here and jerk your chain.....

ALPA hasn't done a thing for me the last 19 years, I doubt they will start now. Useless union that can't decide who it represents.

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA hasn't done a thing for me the last 19 years, I doubt they will start now. Useless union that can't decide who it represents.

On that we agree......:beer:

However maybe ALPA should represent "pilots" instead of "mainline" and "regional" pilots.....There was a time when it didn't matter what the powerplant was or how many seats an aircraft had....Then YOUR generation decided to develop a two-tiered system so that you could sell out the junior pilots to protect the senior pilots.....

The DC3 used to be a "mainline" aircraft.....Now most "regionals" wouldn't want to fly it.....

 

[eaglesview]

On that we agree......:beer:

However maybe ALPA should represent "pilots" instead of "mainline" and "regional" pilots.....There was a time when it didn't matter what the powerplant was or how many seats an aircraft had....Then YOUR generation decided to develop a two-tiered system so that you could sell out the junior pilots to protect the senior pilots.....

The DC3 used to be a "mainline" aircraft.....Now most "regionals" wouldn't want to fly it.....

ALPA can't represent both, I do not believe anyone could. Comair and Delta pilots have opposite desires. It is not possible to represent them both. Just look at the RJDC lawsuit filed by Comair pilots.
As far as the DC3 is concerned the 50's are gone. At the time that was state of the art and the majors flew them.

By the way UAL pilots walked off the job in 85 to combat the B scale and I with my fellow EAL pilots walked off in 89 to fight the lower wages being promoted at CAL at the time by frank Lorenzo. Mean while the regionals keep undercutting eachother in a race to see who can fly for less.

 

[Motorradfahrer]

The DC3 used to be a "mainline" aircraft.....Now most "regionals" wouldn't want to fly it.....

With block or better pay I will fly it all day long

 

[767/757]

Last night while my FO was landing, and ATC put a Delta 757/767 close behind us(slotation).

Was the comment something about missing a high speed?

 

[eaglesview]

With block or better pay I will fly it all day long

Amen to that.

 

[johnboy99]

If you stick to the assigned speeds (or your FO does it thanks to YOUR watching), then there really shouldn't be any goarounds. Controllers are usually pretty good at putting planes in slots, and can tell when spacing is getting tight. Depending on what runway you are on and the associated traffic, the Delta guy could have asked for a slight S-turn at worst. Sounds like you need to brief your FO on proper procedures and not rolling to the end. If you are an RJ or turboprop, the first highspeed is usually the one you should aim for. Larger planes usually go to the second.



Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

At max landing weight the VREF on a CRJ can be higher than on your 757/767, take that along with a 250 hour wonder flying in the right seat and you are lucky to exit by the end of the runway.

 

[vixin]

WRONG!

1. ATL does this when the final is long.

2. When you're IFR, you don't need a "clearance" into class B....Do we need some airspace refreshers?

Used to happen all the time in LAS. Guys on an IFR flight plan, visual 25L, followed the GS down which took you below class B prior to step down and a violation happened. Then they fixed the app to 25L .

A bud at USAirways was violated on a line check for going below class B in CLT and re-entering without being cleared. You are cleared into the class B with the vectors, if you exit ie: visual, step down early, you can be violated.

(2) Unless otherwise authorized by ATC this is the key, each person operating a large turbine engine-powered airplane to or from a primary airport for which a Class B airspace area is designated must operate at or above the designated floors of the Class B airspace area while within the lateral limits of that area.

If they cleared him below thats fine, but not if he did it on his own.

 

[Flopgut]

Well since this has degenerated into the usual major/regional pi$$ing contest...

Well it doesn't have to if you would read the thread...Care to tell me what "regional" flies a Citation?

Any thread barely mentions ATL and it's like pulling your cord. Same thing over and over and over.

 

[brainhurts]

All Brontosauruses are thin at one end, much, much larger in the middle, and then thin again at the other end.