Go Around, BE PROFESSIONAL

[JoeMerchant]

Any of them, at the crew's request, for performance reasons. Minimum clean at MGTOW was somewhere north of 280kt, in a former life.

....actually that is the FARs granting the crew the ability to wave the speed limits....Controllers can't wave FARs...Crews can for operational needs.....

 

[30West]

While we're picking nits, wouldn't "get off our runway" and "thanks ASA" technically be sterile cockpit violations?

 

[PCL_128]

....it was IAH.....not that it matters in the ATR....:laugh:

I'm starting to think that you ATR guys have it good. I've had quite a few ATR-ah pilots in the jumpseat the past few months, and they've been talking about all of these really short flights that you guys do into the small stations. I can't find a stand-up that's less than 1:25 each way of flight time next month in our bid pack. A stand-up to MSP? Shoot me now. Still better than 4-day trips, though.

 

[JAM-BRO]

I didnt say ATC wouldnt/couldnt.

You did....

I would fill out an ASAP for this. You went below class B and re-entered without being cleared. If flying to a class B ATC will not clear you below it. You wrote this, didn't you?

I flew Citations for years and would have never flown Vapp from the marker in. That is ridiculous in a class B enviroment. Being professional also includes thinking outside the box a little and flying your airplane to help others. While being safe. I realized I was in a slower airplane and would accomadate...no big deal.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'm starting to think that you ATR guys have it good. I've had quite a few ATR-ah pilots in the jumpseat the past few months, and they've been talking about all of these really short flights that you guys do into the small stations. I can't find a stand-up that's less than 1:25 each way of flight time next month in our bid pack. A stand-up to MSP? Shoot me now. Still better than 4-day trips, though.

4 day trips? Stand ups? Actually I did HHH standups in Jan....but I only did 5 of them....Flight time that month was about 8.5 hours.....

We do have it good....but not for much longer.....

Pretty soon I can worry about that 250 thing.....Cracks me up when an FO briefs the speed restriction on takeoff in the ATR....

 

[PCL_128]

4 day trips? Stand ups

Yep. I actually love stand-ups, since it keeps me home every day of the year, but the flights keep getting longer and longer since they hate paying the soft time. With the regular trips, almost everything is a 4-day trip. Very few 3-days, and virtually no 2-days. The 737 has more variety, though, with even a few lines with just day trips. Overall, though, we need some better language in the next TA to improve trip variety.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yep. I actually love stand-ups, since it keeps me home every day of the year, but the flights keep getting longer and longer since they hate paying the soft time. With the regular trips, almost everything is a 4-day trip. Very few 3-days, and virtually no 2-days. The 737 has more variety, though, with even a few lines with just day trips. Overall, though, we need some better language in the next TA to improve trip variety.

I'll stick with my 3 days....unless the easy 15 day off stand up lines come back.....We don't have a whole lot of 3 days......but there are enough....

That's why I'm not leaving....Schedule is most important to me.....

 

[FLYLOW22]

Landed my rig today in MEM with a FedEx MD10 behind us.

VFR Prevailed, beautiful day... 170kts to the marker as directed by ATC.

Maintained 170kts until slowing to be at Vref (98kts) by 500AGL.

Had a great view of an MD11 on approach to 18C along side of us all the way down.

Worked out fine.

MD10 behind us landed without any spacing issues. Of course he had to watch for our wake turbulence.

Gotta keep those throttles up.

Spacing on an IFR day would increase anyway... this thread is gay.

 

[aa73]

I can't tell you how many times I have seen American roll all the way to the end of the runway in ATL, What's up with that?

AA rolls down to the end for two reasons:

1. We fly very safely in these uncertain stressful times whereby distractions can cause us to lose focus on the primary mission - SAFETY

and

2. when we land west, our gates are down on the T concourse, which happens to be at the end of the 26s.

73

 

[CA1900]

Which FAR airspeeds can be waved by ATC?

91.117 lays this out as clear as day: the 200 knots within 4nm of a Class C or D primary airport, below 2500 feet AGL, can be waived by ATC. 250 below 10,000 can only be waived by the administrator.

 

[av8er2]

Agree.

I had a Delta pilot say something before that still blows me away that some of them could be so unprofessional.

 

[LXApilot]

Hollywood82,

First of all this is the most ridiculous post of all time. I'm a corporate "20 something" Captain and I operate a -560 in and out of Atlanta all the time. Never had anyone go around behind us.

Vref + 10 from the OM inbound at Hartsfield is about the worst professional decision I've heard in awhile. In my opinion, professionalism in this case would have dictated that you adjust speed for the situation. 170 to the marker, that means until you are over or past the marker- then slowing- and every Citation (and I've flown all of them) bleeds off speed relatively quickly. Most airliners target speeds are in the 130 to 140 range. So what's wrong with flying stabilized in the slot with an adjusted target speed justified by traffic conditions? I just can't figure out what the problem is here.

There again... the Delta guys should have been cheering about a go-around. They get paid by the hour.

And what's with the bashing about the Citations? Sovereign, X, and III/VIII crews have to usually slow down behind any airline in any phase of flight. Now the 500 series... that's a little different story: obviously it's operator technique.

 

[LXApilot]

and SOPs? They're more like "guidelines" than actual rules.

 

[PuffDriver]

I didn't think so....I don't think ATC can waive any of the FAR Airspace speeds.....

Not true

 

[Flybet3]

It's company policy to be Vapp from the OM inbound. What would you do? We have just as much of a right to be there as you. It sucks, but it's life!

What are you? some kind of Gay nerd?!

 

[Flybet3]

Your story is so F'ed up in so many ways it's not even fun.....

First....get over your self....want to talk professional....stop using the term "MY" when refuring to the aircraft you fly and the follow crewmember you are flying with!......what a tool box!

No sh*** . Reminds me of a TOOL I use to work with. He would always say stupid sh** like "Easy, easy, don't burn up my breaks! or would refer to sh** like my airplane! My job "not our". What a tool, just thinking about it makes me want to go punch him in his fu**** face.
There, that's better.

 

[Toobdrvr]

and SOPs? They're more like "guidelines" than actual rules.

Be sure and point that out on your next checkride....

 

[Fubijaakr]

Psst...tooby.

I think he was referring to a "Pirates of the Caribbean" line. Just FYI.

 

[Toobdrvr]

Oh. Thanks.