Gary Kelly Ain't Waitin' for the DOJ!!

[Tripower455]

Sounds to me that you have absolutely nothing to lose.

How do you figure that?

If UAL had tried to buy SW a few years ago, I'm sure you would have been all for a fair SLI.

I can say without hesitation that if the shoe were on the other foot, I'd be happier than a pig in you know what to be acquired by a better airline. Of course, I'd want as much of your seniority as I could take, in addition to my windfall.

The "Golden Rule" would dictate that this be done fairly and that everyone goes forward.

We can only hope.

With your seniority you might even be able to hold Atlanta, after the
"Fence" comes down.

You can have it! Hopefully, for a very long time!

 

[S3sundowner]

Truckie, since you seem to be such an authority on sli, please give us your definition of "fair and equitable". I'm not sure you understand the disparities here.......

 

[Max Powers]

This may be the most relevant, revealing post yet.

Airtran pilots will soon have a gigantic gains in compensation, work rules, and job security. And yet AAI pilot Max Powers enthusiastically reminds me that my new reality as a SWA pilot is likely to be "painful."

At least we both understand the inequity involved.

No my reply was directed towards someone with a lopsided view of reality. If you have the same unrealistic view than yes it will be painful. Most SWA guys are realistic that the staple is long dead and some sort of Rel. seniority merge will happen.

 

[Bob Dylan]

No my reply was directed towards someone with a lopsided view of reality. If you have the same unrealistic view than yes it will be painful. Most SWA guys are realistic that the staple is long dead and some sort of Rel. seniority merge will happen.

I wouldn't count on that. I think a staple is the only offer trannies are gonna get. Or no deal.

Jumpseated on AirTran again this week and the two pilots couldn't have been nicer. I could definitely tell that they were concerned that the deal would fall through, and both of them said they would gladly take a staple to get on the SWA list. The CA seemed even more willing to take a staple than the FO since he was turned down by SWA. FO has had his stuff in for years at SWA, but never got the call. Great guys, nonetheless.

 

[Full of LUV]

I wouldn't count on that. I think a staple is the only offer trannies are gonna get. Or no deal.

Jumpseated on AirTran again this week and the two pilots couldn't have been nicer. I could definitely tell that they were concerned that the deal would fall through, and both of them said they would gladly take a staple to get on the SWA list. The CA seemed even more willing to take a staple than the FO since he was turned down by SWA. FO has had his stuff in for years at SWA, but never got the call. Great guys, nonetheless.

Good thing your wearing glasses because your so full of $*$Y($U# that it may be seeping out of you eye lobes..... and no I don't work for AAI

 

[SWA/FO]

Most SWA guys are realistic that the staple is long dead

Not this SWA guy....

 

[Wesb737fo]

I wouldn't count on that. I think a staple is the only offer trannies are gonna get. Or no deal.

Jumpseated on AirTran again this week and the two pilots couldn't have been nicer. I could definitely tell that they were concerned that the deal would fall through, and both of them said they would gladly take a staple to get on the SWA list. The CA seemed even more willing to take a staple than the FO since he was turned down by SWA. FO has had his stuff in for years at SWA, but never got the call. Great guys, nonetheless.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........yawn.....

 

[roughneck]

but really the only one up SWA has on AT is a better contract and hourly pay.

You forgot about the 221 aircraft on order. You forgot about the 2000 retirements that are coming in the next 15 years. You forgot about the best domestic route structure in the entire industry allowing for more growth opportunities. You forgot about the best balance sheet in the industry. You forgot about the job security that comes with a 40 year old company that has never furloughed. You attempted to minimize the massive contractual gains. You forgot about the -800's and ETOPS operations that are coming. We bring everything to the table, AAI brings virtually nothing.

All of these items will be front and center if they decide to combine the operations and this thing goes to arbitration.

AAI presentation to the abitrator will go something like this. 1. We have 32 gates in Atlanta. 2. Did we mention our gates in Atlanta. 3. Please don't forget about our gates in Atlanta.

 

[Ty Webb]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........yawn.....

Uh-huh. :laugh:

 

[madjack]

This acquisition/merger whatever you want to call it will be successful (in my eyes which means NOTHING i realize) only if the SWA/AAI pilots can share the risk equitably... as a 10 year FO, if 800 AAI CPs jump ahead of me, I am assuming a great deal of risk that SWA/AAI will grow. The AAI CPs may lose seniority if they become (junior) SWA CPS but they will be compensated with a rather large raise and better financial future...SWA FOs (yes me) will gain nothing...of course the POTENTIAL exist that the combined company will prosper and grow explosively (salving most SLI wounds as in the Morris staple) but the SWA FOs, who like the AAI pilots: (1) DID NOT AKS FOR THIS ACQUISITION and (2) are also protected by M/B, assume ALL the risk...

For the sake of argument: I feel that the AAI pilots should share the risk of this merger, the question is how?? IF (a big unknown, impossible to predict IF) AAI CPS were to become SWA FOs and not lose any career earning potential would they be satisfied to accept some of the risk of growth and potentially far greater earning potential at SWA?? Would a senior SWA FO accept CP pay in lieu of the seat to ameliate the AAI pilots (I know I would)

One final point, and this is not an accusation just an observation...AAI CPs are a young group and have the luxury of MORE time to upgrade and make the big$$.. SWAPA is an older group and any merger/acquisition that results in a loss of seniority can mean that many current SWA FOs may never see upgrade...

I accept the fact I have no control of my future, if I should have to pull gear for a SWA CP (whose AAI DOH was after my DOH at SWA), I will not blame him, I will congratulate his good fortune and make the most of our trip (hey its a boring job made worse by bad attitudes)...but I am SURE I do not speak for the entire SWA pilot group (ESPECIALLY THE JUNIOR FOs)!!

 

[GuppyWN]

AAI presentation to the abitrator will go something like this. 1. We have 32 gates in Atlanta. 2. Did we mention our gates in Atlanta. 3. Please don't forget about our gates in Atlanta.

And Flint, MI. I still laugh when I think about that video.

Gup

 

[ivauir]

The "Golden Rule" would dictate that this be done fairly and that everyone goes forward.

That is right: fair.

"Fair" to everyone. Not just YOU.

"Fair" protects career expectations. If you actually READ arbitrator's decisions you'll see that this means more than just seats.

"Fair" recognizes the career altering windfall you realize if and when you get our contract.

"Fair"is a two way street. It does NOT mean you get your seniority AND our contract.

Reading kwick, karma, ty and others I have lost any hope of this going well. My only hope is that Gary has a plan to protect our company from your unrealistic expectations and militant attitude.

 

[SWA/FO]

Reading kwick, karma, ty and others I have lost any hope of this going well. My only hope is that Gary has a plan to protect our company from your unrealistic expectations and militant attitude.

Yeah, I just hope Gary pays them the 32 million break-up fee and we go our seperate ways.

 

[Ty Webb]

Reading kwick, karma, ty and others I have lost any hope of this going well. My only hope is that Gary has a plan to protect our company from your unrealistic expectations and militant attitude.

You guys started this off by talking about staples or asset sales, and you think we're the militant ones?

Thankfully, the two merger committees are handling this, not us, and hopefully they can come up with something we can all live with, or at least most of us, myself included.

 

[ASADFW7]

There is a reason SWA group is older. It takes longer to get hired there and it is more competitive. I am sure pilots have interviewed multiple times at Airtran to get hired, it just is not as common. This is not a statement for SLI discussion, just an observation.