"Frontier guys" Don't get Greedy!

[SWA/FO]

SWA did not BUY ATA.

 

[328dude]

Staple with pay protection, just like Morris. Who here wouldn't throw gear here for 230,000 a year? 95% of our current senority list makes over 6 figures a year.

 

[thruthemurk]

6 ATA pilots hired at SWA post aquisition of assets.

 

[328dude]

One was in my class. He's an awesome guy too.

 

[krewmeel]

Staple with pay protection, just like Morris. Who here wouldn't throw gear here for 230,000 a year? 95% of our current senority list makes over 6 figures a year.

I personally would be happy to be a stapled FO for that kind of cabbage, but again, don't think it will wash under Mcaskill/Bond. This law is to keep one work group from integrating another for just that reason. Also, our senior captains will not go back to being FO's even though a WN FO pays about the same as a F9 captain....I guess they can just quit

 

[tzskipper]

SWA did not BUY ATA.

Fwiw, they did, in order to acquire the LGA slots...

S

 

[FNG320]

Here's the only "fair" way to integrate:

1. No bump/no flush.
2. F9 began operating this time around in 1994. Therefore:
All SWA pilots hired prior to 1994 maintain their current seniority. F9 pilots ratioed into the post 1994 SWA list.
3. Subsequent openings filled from integrated seniority list.

No one gets any windfalls.

Sounds like you are talking DOH to me! Sounds like a windfall for the pre-1994 SWA pilots! Delta/NWA merger and Nicoli award has percentage integration of both pilots groups such that pilots maintain their relative percentage of seniority.

But when you read the press releases from SWA, all they talk about is "hiring Frontier employees" as they take new 737 and retire Airbus aircraft. Thas sounds like "prefferential interviews/hiring". All Frontier people end up as new hires, at the bottom of the SWA list.

This is one merger that the Frontier pilots should fight on every front unless they get the merger/SLI in writing upfront! Otherwise it will be worse than the SWA/Morris Air (where at least they got to keep their seniority)

Just my opinion......

FNG

 

[av8tordude23]

Bull$hit. Your entire post is THE definition of a windfall.
We have over 4700 post '94 pilots.
If F9 wants to get greedy they can fly an RJ for Republic. Otherwise they can take the right seat, at the bottom of the list, in a 73 for $40\hour more than they are making now. It's up to them. I have no doubt how the SWAPA pilots will vote.

I'd love to see us put every F9 pilot on the payroll, but I won't sacrifice ONE of my fellow pilots. Ain't personal, just business.

This is a classic example of SW love (of lack there of) for F9.

 

[MELVIS]

Wow! Usually SWA types are cool, but throw in a proposed merger and Wow. Throwing anyone under the bus is stupid, as professionals let's just see what actually comes of this. Some are already fighting the seniority fight, good on you, but do you really want that bad blood spilt so soon? As a furloughed AW guy, maybe try to work something out, we pilot types really need to learn to work well and play with others. This infighting of different pilot groups has gotten us nowhere.

 

[hockeypilot44]

It's funny reading these posts. Someone said F9 guys should only be merged with SWA guys hired after 1994 because that is when Frontier started. Well America West started in 1983, but US Airways pilots hired before 1983 are still junior to America West pilots using Nic. There are arguments about how much more Southwest pays. Well starting Frontier pay is more than top Republic first officer pay and there are Frontier first officers making more than Republic captains, but Republic pilots still want a ratio merger. The NWA/DAL merger gave all of NWA's attrition to the Delta pilots. There are many factors and many precedents in mergers. I've learned anything can happen. The Frontier pilots could all lose their jobs or the Frontier captains could become SWA captains. Anything in between can happen also. We will not know until it is done. Speculating is pointless.

 

[Bake]

is one merger that the Frontier pilots should fight on every front unless they get the merger/SLI in writing upfront! Otherwise it will be worse than the SWA/Morris Air (where at least they got to keep their seniority

The Morris Air pilots were stapled to the bottom of the list with pay protection. I think your facts are way off.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Did they take all the Morris pilots, or did they have to "re-interview" for the job??

 

[Flying the Line]

Bond-McCaskill staes that an airline that purchases more than 51% will take the employees. It does not stipulate that those employees will be employed continuously through the process. IOW SWA can buy F9 and furlough F9 pilots as 737's are brought on to replace Airbus aircraft. Seniority Integratrion can be mutually agreed upon or go to arbitration. SWA has stated that seniority will be agreed to prior to a purchase. Therefore the fate of F9 pilots will be known before F9 becomes part of SWA (if they are the winner of the auction). Any and all F9 pilots will be part of the SWAPA pilots seniority list if they are actively flying or on furlough. The (2) questions that remain is (1) will F9 pilots agree to the seniority integration that SWAPA proposes and (2) will SWA win the auction.F9 can say we do not agree to senority integration and [if] SWA purchases F9 then it could go to an arbitrator. My feeling is that SWA will honor SWAPA's decision on integration and not make a binding bid if F9 does not negotiate a SLI to their desires.As a post script I believe that F9 pilots will lose either way, which way will be up to them.

 

[Slug]

Did they take all the Morris pilots, or did they have to "re-interview" for the job??

They took all the Morris folks (that wanted to come). There were even pilots taken that had been turned down in a SWA interview previously.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

So what are we going to call this if its RAH/F9 or SW/F9

East VS West is taken!