For All You FLOPS BJ Pilots, a little memory lane action

[GREAT LAKES]

Wow

digging, digging, digging keep them shovels digging..............bury your self and have no one to blame. Have fun working a Walmart! Is it possible to teach commom sense? I guess not. This thread clearly shows it.

Kudos to all the posters that have shown common sense throughout this thread. You know what it's all about.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Get over it and focus on the issues....

What is the difference in a question and a request for information? Ummmm... NONE!!!!!


It is a simple QUESTION. Why are you so afraid to answer it? What are you afraid of? Have you done something immoral that you don't want others to know about? Are you ashamed of your statements here? This all demonstrates that you are completely UNABLE to answer a question.

We'll try something simple so you can practice.

What comes after the number 1? It is another simple question. Somehow, I doubt you will be able to answer it. We shall see...

fischman, we've gone over this subject for three years now. I wish to remain private. It's my choice. Get over it and don't even bother with the subject. From this point on, any post regarding this subject is nothing more than a waste of time for you guys to type it.

The only question I won't respond to is anything that hints to the release of specific personal information that is completely irrelevent to my stand on unions. Get over it.

Let's deal with real issues. Look at the complete turmoil at FLOPS. Those pilots are stuck there now, the industry is basically stagnated and the economy has bit the dust. They ain't gonna get crap out of any CBA at this point because the union didn't act on a timely basis to get it done while times were good.

How long will it be before NJ begins to stutter with the downturn in the economy?

When that industry leading contract begins to be a burdon on NJ, and the new in house union can't adjust quickly enough to save jobs and NJ has no alternative but to begin cuts, I'll be the first one there to point out how I was right about how great unions are when the times are good and how bad they are when the pressure hits and they don't react in time to save the jobs of their brethren while your non-union counterparts are able to adjust to the market and stay viable entities with a minimal amout of turmoil.

Then we'll see just how great unions are, because that is the time when unions are at their worst.

 

[fischman]

What are you afraid of? Why can't you answer? Are you ashamed of yourself? What comes after the number 1?

 

[B19 Flyer]

Focus on the issues...

What are you afraid of? Why can't you answer? Are you ashamed of yourself? What comes after the number 1?

Fischman, how long do you think it will be before the ripple affect occurs? I say it's within the year before YOUR union is pressed to furlough pilots.

My question to you is, when it DOES happen, is your union going to do the right thing to preserve jobs or are the furloughs going to happen to protect the industry leading pay and benefits your union demands?

How strong will that independent union be when the times really get tough?

 

[Freedom]

Given the Agenda of Bob19's Posts'

Is there one true Line Pilot left at Flight Options that does not believe he is being paid to Post as he does?

And by the way, the Blue Color text he uses is scientifically proven to have a more calming effect on the reader; it is a psychological ploy.

Just turn on the Tonight Show with Leno and look for the Blue/Purple background colors.

Bob19 is still trying to Win Hearts and Minds away from the Union, because he knows Solidarity is the only effective tool the Pilots have against Management's Greed.

Freedom in Not Free

 

[fischman]

Fischman, how long do you think it will be before the ripple affect occurs? It already has. Our owner flying is down significantly. Hopefully Mx will use the time to fix the interiors of the airplanes to help maintain the standard our owners have come to expect. I say it's within the year before YOUR union is pressed to furlough pilots. The Union doesn't furlough pilots. The company does.

My question to you is, when it DOES happen, is your union going to do the right thing to preserve jobs or are the furloughs going to happen to protect the industry leading pay and benefits your union demands? The Union and company operate under a contract BOTH parties agreed to. Economic downturns are dealt with IAW the CBA. It is not the Union's responsibility to preserve jobs. It is the Company's. Thankfully NetJets Management has been proactive and in the foreseeable future, we will be alright.

How strong will that independent union be when the times really get tough? We aren't even close to "really tough." The strength in the Union is with the pilots. It will be up to them as the direction the leadership will take, as it always has been.

See how easy it is to answer questions? Now it is your turn.

What company do you work for?

Why are you afraid to tell me?

Are you ashamed of your past?

What comes after the number 1?

ARE YOU CAPABLE OF ACTUALLY ANSWERING A QUESTION?

 

[OldCrow]

Brace,brace,brace!!!

B19, if my time is coming...so is yours

 

[B19 Flyer]

See how easy it is to answer questions? Now it is your turn.

What company do you work for?

Why are you afraid to tell me?

Are you ashamed of your past?

What comes after the number 1?

ARE YOU CAPABLE OF ACTUALLY ANSWERING A QUESTION?

Of course, but are you actually capable of reading an answer (because I've already answered this and I'm not going to do it again)?

So, when the union doesn't protect their pilots when NJ begins the furlough process, who is going to do it? You fischman?

 

[fischman]

Of course, but are you actually capable of reading an answer (because I've already answered this and I'm not going to do it again)?

So, when the union doesn't protect their pilots when NJ begins the furlough process, who is going to do it? That's not what I said. You fischman? Yes. I will protect our pilots as I always have. Unlike you.

I have read through all of your posts on FI.com. You have not answered a single question on these boards. Ever. You can't do it "again" if you never did it once.

Just try 1. I think you'll find it isn't as hard as you think. We'll try an easy one okay? (At least I think it is easy. You might find it more difficult).

What comes after the number 1?

I'll even help you out. If you go to a website called www.google.com you can find the answer.

Can you answer a single question?

 

[B19 Flyer]

I have read through all of your posts on FI.com. You have not answered a single question on these boards. Ever. You can't do it "again" if you never did it once.

Just try 1. I think you'll find it isn't as hard as you think. We'll try an easy one okay? (At least I think it is easy. You might find it more difficult).

What comes after the number 1?

I'll even help you out. If you go to a website called www.google.com you can find the answer.

Can you answer a single question?

fischman...

One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.

Two can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number one. :laugh:

Now.. can you say the words "furlough" and "contract concession"? Because it won't be long before your union will be facing them. The amount of furloughed pilots will be in direct proportion to how deep and quickly the contract concessions occur. Can your union react quickly enough to avoid furloughs by offering concessions to "spread the pain" amongst all your brethren and save jobs?

 

[fischman]

fischman...

One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.

Two can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number one. :laugh:

Now.. can you say the words "furlough" and "contract concession"? Because it won't be long before your union will be facing them. The amount of furloughed pilots will be in direct proportion to how deep and quickly the contract concessions occur. Can your union react quickly enough to avoid furloughs by offering concessions to "spread the pain" amongst all your brethren and save jobs?

Hmmm.... I think that is an answer. He did use the number 2. Which is a correct answer B19. Good for you! Another answer is 1,000,000 or 3 or 666 (You're familiar with that one aren't you?) :nuts: . They all come after the number 1. I am giving you infinate possibilities of correct numbers.


As to the rest, that is called seniority. If the company needs to furlough, junior guy goes first. That's how the CBA works.

 

[brokeflyer]

Having a union has nothing to do with a furlough, ive said that before. If there was no union, the same guys would get it. Without a union, the company would have to furlough a lot sooner. Management would be totally killing the company and they would have to blame someone for it. That's the whole reason for having a union, to keep managemnt from destroying the company. Otherwise they would be illegal. So they would furlough the pilots, cause they can. Then drive home in their BMW.

That is undisputable.....sorry.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Having a union has nothing to do with a furlough, ive said that before. If there was no union, the same guys would get it. Without a union, the company would have to furlough a lot sooner. Management would be totally killing the company and they would have to blame someone for it. That's the whole reason for having a union, to keep managemnt from destroying the company. Otherwise they would be illegal. So they would furlough the pilots, cause they can. Then drive home in their BMW.

That is undisputable.....sorry.

Not true. It's well known that DAL was able to stave off bankrupty the longest of any legacy carrier because the company was the least unionized major and was able to adjust easier to the industry changes.

In the end, they still got burned by a union that didn't see the value in keeping the company out of bankruptcy.

 

[brokeflyer]

again, like i said, management is the problem there. They had to file for bankruptcy protection after management fried the company so thin you could slide it under a vault door. The union had to come in to protect the pilots.

that is a fact and it is undisputable.....sorry.


next?

 

[fischman]

Not true. It's well known that DAL was able to stave off bankruptcy the longest of any legacy carrier because the company was the least unionized major and was able to adjust easier to the industry changes.

In the end, they still got burned by a union that didn't see the value in keeping the company out of bankruptcy.

When was the last time American declared bankruptcy?