For All You FLOPS BJ Pilots, a little memory lane action

[B19 Flyer]

I hope you make statements like this with a BJ type rating on your card, otherwise, you are more of a waste of bytes than you have been so far.

They have a guy still working there that was when I worked there six years ago. He tried to make me fly a Hawker I knew was not airworthy. I made a stand against an item he insisted could be flown with. I did it with NO union implications, since it hadn't even become more than an idea 2 of 200 had at the time.

Because they have so many iterations of airplanes, they operate with the MMEL for each type, instead of individual versions for each a/c. Consequently, it was used by management to fly airplanes that were broken and thereby putting people in danger. The item he tried to force me to go with later left a pilot with no flight instruments, other than the peanut gyro. I"ve heard he moved into another program that he didn't even have a type rating for and tried similar trash. And all this from a guy who proported to have an abundance of safety training and experience.

By the way, I have significant training in aviation safety, and what you stand for doesn't make muster in aviation safety program management.

These guys aren't lying about conditions, but you continue to back these unsafe management actions, all under the guise of "bad union". I truly hope you end up having to eat all this drivel you post, and following that, I hope you find yourself out of aviation. There are too many like you in it, and it stinks for those of us trying to make a living in it. And making it to retirement with all of our hair intact seem like an impossible dream.

Judge Bertelsman called it fraud when he issued the very well known injunction against ALPA for the excessive writeups and broken airplanes that caused disruptions to daily schedules. That was the first time a carrier ever took the union to task on the subject and it set a precedent.

http://www.airlinesafety.com/articles/ComairInjunction.htm


It's not about safety, because if the CBA was signed tomorrow, both you and I know the excessive writeups would vanish overnight.

It's an unauthorized union action that in reality, makes it even less safe because it pushes schedules back and induces mistakes. Human factors, SMS and CRM, (both cockpit and maintainence) go out the window when schedules get pushed. Call it what you want, it's a stupid and unprofessional behavior that only exists during union negotiations.

 

[brokeflyer]

Define your example of a drip, a drop, a seepage and a leak.

if it don't say in the AFM that it is supposed to drip, drop seep or leak then it's not normal.

which defines BROKE.

I see you need to refresh on PIC duties as well.....

 

[brokeflyer]

Judge Bertelsman called it fraud when he issued the very well known injunction against ALPA for the excessive writeups and broken airplanes that caused disruptions to daily schedules. That was the first time a carrier ever took the union to task on the subject and it set a precedent.

http://www.airlinesafety.com/articles/ComairInjunction.htm


It's not about safety, because if the CBA was signed tomorrow, both you and I know the excessive writeups would vanish overnight.

It's an unauthorized union action that in reality, makes it even less safe because it pushes schedules back and induces mistakes. Human factors, SMS and CRM, (both cockpit and maintainence) go out the window when schedules get pushed. Call it what you want, it's a stupid and unprofessional behavior that only exists during union negotiations.

Yup...im sure that judge had a lot more experience than the flight crews on what is normal.

just keep fishing don.....lol

pathetic

 

[skyismyoffice]

Define your example of a drip, a drop, a seepage and a leak.

"something coming out of someplace it's not supposed to."

I got that one from my 6 year old. See he gets it.

What's your definition?

 

[CA1900]

B19, it couldn't possibly be the advancing years of the airplanes that's contributing to the additional writeups?

Our Beechjets are broken constantly, and we're not in contract negotiations. How do you explain that? Could it be that they're just the unreliable pieces of crap we all know them to be, and the Options guys simply aren't risking their lives (and their owners' lives) flying broken planes anymore?


I had an Excel the other day that had a few drops of engine oil where there weren't supposed to be any. "Just a few drops" turned into an engine change when it was investigated.

 

[Just Peachy]

flops wants you to fly it..

You can count on Skanza and B19 to see the nefarious union in action. The truth is every avaition manager will put out a memo to all pilots stating that you will without fail write up every discrepancy where and when it occurs. That is apparently a facade for the FAA. In actual practice you find a discrepancy and the maintenence controller is trying to talk you out of writing it up or question your judgement on the MEL or MDL or MEF or ferry flight, et al. Then if you balk the PSM and then the PM and then the Chief Pilot is on the horn telling you how wrong you are and so forth. So you can call it what you will, but management clearly wants us to be professionals and do the job they pay us to do. Namely, ensure that all trips we conduct are done with the utmost attention to detail. I guess where you fly or the way you fly you cut corners to get er done.


Well podner, heres what you do when they pressure you to fly it. Ask them to send a fax stating the problem (make sure they do state it correctly) and have them sign their name to it, date it, stating its ok to fly, and you are authorized to ferry, position or do a trip with the exisiting condition contrary to the FOM...........

 

[brokeflyer]

I had an Excel the other day that had a few drops of engine oil where there weren't supposed to be any. "Just a few drops" turned into an engine change when it was investigated.

ha b19 just got served!!

im glad no matter what ill be the PIC if he's on board.

 

[B19 Flyer]

"something coming out of someplace it's not supposed to."

I got that one from my 6 year old. See he gets it.

What's your definition?

How do you know where something is supposed to and not supposed to come out?

I can wipe a rag on a strut anytime and find fluid. It that a seepage or leak? Is it defined in the AFM?

It's funny how you feel that writing up discrepancies now is important and the pilot group ignored all the small things before.

Just think, if the pilot group had done their job all along, instead of only during negotiations, maybe the airplanes would be in better condition. I guess it would be a consideration of being a professional pilot to do their job all the time, instead of only when the money is on the line.

 

[dime line]

Just think, if the pilot group had done their job all along, instead of only during negotiations, maybe the airplanes would be in better condition

And there you have it, The catch 22 only from dumb F__k management. Damed if you do and damed if you don't.

 

[skyismyoffice]

How do you know where something is supposed to and not supposed to come out?

Good point. I better write it up and have mx take a look.

 

[brokeflyer]

Good point. I better write it up and have mx take a look.

once again....b19 got owned!!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Good point. I better write it up and have mx take a look.

My point exactly.

Don't worry, as soon as the CBA is signed, you'll begin to remember again. Thankfully, management has the same amnesia when it comes to pay raises, benefits and job security during negotiations.

 

[brokeflyer]

management has the same amnesia when it comes to pay raises, benefits and job security during negotiations.

thats why we need unions.....otherwise management would just pay the minimum required by law for the job.....and we would get fcked...

im glad your starting to see the light b19

keep it up, we'll get you steered right

 

[skanza]

its not.....you don't understand.

when you preflight an airplane and something is not right, then it's the PIC's responsibilty to write it up. You should know that being this far in your career.

I explain one more time. Broke airplanes have nothing to do with a "union" action. If it's broke then it's broke, thats it.

Now move on.

Well, maybe for you. But there are plenty out there that do use the 501 as a leveraging tool, they are easy to see here but will never admit it due to lack of ball size.

 

[skanza]

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Skanka,

when you have money worries its good to sometimes get you mind off your problems. You know, focus on something else for a while ....

It might as well be something constructive that enhances your aviation skills ... like how to do a better prefilight.

Focusing on your professional job skills tends to have the nice side effect of eventually reaping better compensation.

A Win-Win scenario.

Money worries? Aviation skills? What?

I'm talking about union extremists that purposely look for things to write up in order to slow the operation in the name of the union, not in the name of safety as they claim. Only they know the truth, but in the end, golly how the truth will out.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Only they know the truth, but in the end, golly how the truth will out.

Um, yeah.

Moving right along...

 

[skanza]

No really, is that all you got?

 

[brokeflyer]

No really, is that all you got?

you must be really unhappy with your life.

 

[clickclickboom]

I read all of these posts about the so called list that was created by union supporters..


I spent 8 years at flops and what I have seen happen there since i left is just unbelievable..

I have no doubts that management would be more than happy to walk out to your plane after a flight, pull out so called list find one thing and fire your ass on the sport for operating an aircraft in an unsafe manner...

I would not give flops management 1 single thing to fire me over hell they fire people for no reason anyways.

Anybody and I mean anybody there is fair game for these fools.. Burn the place down ( because of there mismanagement) but do it being a professional and flying by the book

 

[~~~^~~~]

Jeesh,

Glad you don't pre-flight DC9's that way.

Big parts - on
Radome - marvel at number and severity of damage from lightning strikes & hail
Pitot Tubes - not bent 90 degrees from axis of airframe, good
Ice Detector - oh nevermind... windshield wiper works
Antenna's - secure. Half aren't attached to anything anymore, but no one is sure which half.
Tires - not through three layers of cord
Brakes - see wear pins - good
Hydraulic Fluid - smeared and leaking - good, means at one time the system actually held something
Flight Control Surfaces - ailerons move opposite each other, elevators flop around - good
Engine - cowls aligned within about three inches, chunks missing from compressor blades need to have scribbling beside them and signs of erosion (ahem) blending
Left side, same as right side