For All You FLOPS BJ Pilots, a little memory lane action

[skanza]

you must be really unhappy with your life.

Well quite the opposite, in fact. But I am quite unhappy with people that refuse to recognize there's more than one way to look at something (union/no union).

 

[fischman]

Well, don't look in the mirror then.

 

[skanza]

Well, don't look in the mirror then.

So you're saying that you are able to see that there might possibly be no need for a union? That's what I'm talking about.
As far as the looking in the mirror comment, you're way off. I do agree that there was once a time when unions were needed. A long time ago when companies were run by corrupt, greedy people that expected a lot of production out of under paid employees that were working in very poor working conditions. But times are different now and a company run like that will fail in the market - collapsing under the weight of the greed and corruption.
Now, unions are used by people that are a bit lazy, expecting a hand out, want someone else to be responsible for their career, and expect to "just have" respect, not earn it.
If you look at the performance of FO over that last few years, the positive movement is due to dedicated employees (pilots too), and management that doesn't want the place to fail. Don't accuse them of trying to "ruin people's lives". *And don't accuse me of being one of them, you never know when you'll fly with me *
Higher health care, domicile changes, and other cost saving measures are happening industry and country-wide for almost all companies.

Now I don't expect anyone here to agree, or even consider these points due to the mindset that is so strong (and limited).

 

[fischman]

So you're saying that you are able to see that there might possibly be no need for a union? That's what I'm talking about. I wouldn't even consider working at a non-union shop. There are going to be times when you are going to be pressured to do the wrong thing in a non-union workplace. I don't have that pressure. Myself and my crew are the alpha and omega when it comes to the safe operation of my flight, and any pressure put upon me would be returned tenfold to a manager.
As far as the looking in the mirror comment, you're way off. I don't think so. You don't appear to see the good qualities in unions. I do agree that there was once a time when unions were needed. A long time ago when companies were run by corrupt, greedy people Like FLOPS? that expected a lot of production out of under paid employees that were working in very poor working conditions. Like FLOPS? But times are different now Apparently not... and a company run like that will fail in the market - collapsing under the weight of the greed and corruption. I agree. If FLOPS management remains on their current course, the company will fail. They are pissing owners off every day. Owners who deserve better.

.....

 

[brokeflyer]

A long time ago when companies were run by corrupt, greedy people that expected a lot of production out of under paid employees that were working in very poor working conditions.

a long time ago? Yesterday isn't a long time ago.

Ive said it many times here. Im SURE that the company would pay me what Im being paid, the benefits i get, vacation, etc all right now just cause they are really nice people.

and i hope you get to fly in my right seat, ill help you out and train you.

please, come back to this planet.

 

[brokeflyer]

There are going to be times when you are going to be pressured to do the wrong thing in a non-union workplace. I don't have that pressure. Myself and my crew are the alpha and omega when it comes to the safe operation of my flight, and any pressure put upon me would be returned tenfold to a manager.

how true, skanza that is something that i hope you learn someday when you become a PIC.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ain't that the friggin truth.

If you're covered with oil you are either flying a radial or a spey/Tay.

Or you just did a walk-around on a 727. Have this guy walk around a 72. Heck, he'd be crying for mama.

 

[William Holiday]

What are things to think about when the wx gets really hot!

 

[FR8DOG777]

let's make sure and make this the most safe travel season yet

HOW TO PRE-FLIGHT A BEECHJET​

1. Power lever gators (the rubber that keeps stuff from falling into the pedestal) needs to be intact not worn downing item
2. Bonding cables under the spoilerons
3. Top of brake calipers for leaks
4. Plastic conduits for wires for the main gear for fraying and damage
5. Hydraulic lines that go into the pressure switches below the reservoir (mx might try to get you to leave a rag in there for the next flight to check for drips. this is unsafe and illegal) don't even reach in to wipe them (I can't reach them anyway and I have slender long arms)
6. Missing rings/washers on the air stairs, or safety wire, safety wire is not per the BJ MX Manual
7. Nose wheel steering pin for a frayed cable (hazard as it might cut your fingers)(puncture wounds by sharp metal are especially prone to infection)
8. Pitot tubes for worn coating
9. Elevator horn coating (check with control lock installed for more thorough viewing)
10. Door seal channel for damage from door pins
11. Move all pax seats for free movement and locking (check for shoulder harness placards, including the lav seat)
12. All placards (exterior and interior) installed and readable
13. Michelins are installed instead of Goodyear’s, check sidewalls for wear as they are slightly wider and often rub while spinning down in the wells shortly after gear retraction
14. Seat belt extender placards for compatibility with seat belt systems with shoulder harnesses
15. O2 mask microphone function
16. Accumulator window too hazed to see through
17. Broken safety wire on emer gear/door/brake handle
18. Burned out fuel/hyd shutoff valve lights
19. Takeoff pitch trim horn doesn't sound if trim is SLIGHTLY out of the green
20. Takeoff pitch trim horn does sound if trim is BARELY within green.
21. Aileron trims run at different speeds.
22. One aileron trim hesitates partway through full range
23. O2 mask smoke clearing device broken
24. O2 mask weak pressure for inflating halo
25. O2 mask does not stay in cradle.
26. Smoke goggles too scratched/dirty to see safely.
27. Smoke goggles cover(s) missing/damaged.
28. Check for slippage on the engine inlet screws
29. Static and pitot drains are closed
30. Fire extinguisher properly charged
31. Cockpit trim indicator agrees w/ trim position marking on vertical stab
32. Cracked static wicks can be hard to spot without a gentle tug
33. Non-LED rear nav lights have a short lifespan
34. Drain holes under horizontal stab are clear
35. bonding cables under the spoilerons
36. Allowed, two degree's of roll per second when selecting flaps 10
37. Missing LED's on the clocks (No IFR)
38. Check the knife valve on the crapper. It is MEL-able, but a real live mechanic must come out and disconnect the electrical
39. Missing screws around the access panels ... found one plane missing 28!!!
40. Feed back from the hand held mikes. It’s a no no
41. Foil coated Fire retardant blankets in the main landing gear wells. Torn, punctured or missing the foil coating? This is a downing item according to QA. Not MDL’able
42. Engage the autopilot prior to doing the stall test. When the stick shaker comes on, it MUST also disconnect the autopilot.
43. Run your elevator trim full down and full up. If the needle pass the RED limit marks ... broke
44. On battery power only, run your rudder trim from full right to left or visa versa. The rudder must have full travel in less than 64 seconds per the mx manual
45. When selecting flaps 30, be sure they indicate 30, not 29 not 31 ... can you tell me what REF is for a flaps 29 or 31 approach
46. Big Dents under the door from stair malfunction. Must be measured with a caliper, That area is pressurized
47. Nose strut bottoming or bouncing on taxi, nose strut to low
48. Main door handle. If it lifts up without pressing the red button your done
49. Cabin door closed, the "Red" markings for the door pins must be "Completely Covered". This is listed in the AFM
50. All of this because, SAFETY, SERVICE, AND PROFITABILITY[/quote]


Oh yeah and just a reminder, we are still the lowest paid fractional pilots out there, how about that crew meal policy now?

 

[skanza]

^^Ok, BAYL^^

 

[brokeflyer]

skanza...the c150's are to the left....along with the gold seal flight instructors.....please seel some instruction before start posting about stuff you nothing about.

not trying to rant....just trying to help you out.

pm me and ill explain how things work.

 

[skyismyoffice]

^^Ok, BAYL^^

Can't be him, the list is too small.

 

[waka]

A long time ago when companies were run by corrupt, greedy people that expected a lot of production out of under paid employees that were working in very poor working conditions. But times are different now and a company run like that will fail in the market - collapsing under the weight of the greed and corruption.

How naive. The market does a poor job at policing itself. They will only fail well past when the damage is done. i.e. Enron. Give me a break, idiot.

 

[SilverSurfer]

You Are Unbelivable

Yes, by the way, I am accusing some people of causing damage to an airplane in order to have a write up. There's no way to prove it, but that doesn't matter. Only those people know the truth and that's all that counts.

You obviously are in management because no self respecting profisional member of OUR pilot group would ever suggest that one of Our fellows would do somthing that was a federal crime.

What a MOORON you are.

And while I'm at it,,,,,

skanza said,

So you're saying that you are able to see that there might possibly be no need for a union? That's what I'm talking about.
As far as the looking in the mirror comment, you're way off. I do agree that there was once a time when unions were needed. A long time ago when companies were run by corrupt, greedy people that expected a lot of production out of under paid employees that were working in very poor working conditions. But times are different now and a company run like that will fail in the market - collapsing under the weight of the greed and corruption.
Now, unions are used by people that are a bit lazy, expecting a hand out, want someone else to be responsible for their career, and expect to "just have" respect, not earn it.
If you look at the performance of FO over that last few years, the positive movement is due to dedicated employees (pilots too), and management that doesn't want the place to fail. Don't accuse them of trying to "ruin people's lives". *And don't accuse me of being one of them, you never know when you'll fly with me *
Higher health care, domicile changes, and other cost saving measures are happening industry and country-wide for almost all companies.

Now I don't expect anyone here to agree, or even consider these points due to the mindset that is so strong (and limited).

“unions were needed. A long time ago when companies were run by corrupt, greedy people that expected a lot of production out of under paid employees that were working in very poor working conditions. But times are different now and a company run like that will fail in the market - collapsing under the weight of the greed and corruption.”

You must be talking about a long time ago like 4 months ago when we were still managed by two very over paid complete idiots, that expected us to continue to keep this company growing while they paid us half of industry, while cutting back on our quality of hotels, crew meals, travel, adding ridiculous standby requirements, getting rid of our domiciles causing our pilots to uproot their families, tripling the cost of health insurance. Had these two idiots been allowed to remain in control of Options we surly would have gone under. These abuses are the exact reason that we now have a Union at Options and they weren’t here as long ago as you suggest. We have a window of hope now with new management that the lunacy of the past 5 years will be recognized and corrected, a contract will finally be completed, and this company will get back on the road to growth. But even if all those things happen it still does not eliminate the original motivations and need for a Union and a contract. Tomorrow our new management could be gone and the same dumb a$$ that just about destroyed us could be back to finish the job.

“Now, unions are used by people that are a bit lazy, expecting a hand out, want someone else to be responsible for their career, and expect to "just have" respect, not earn it.”

I’ve been around from the beginning and helped build this company from the ground, many of us have. I have watch Options go through all of the gyrations it has to get where we are today. I have not heard of one single thing that our Union is negotiating for that is unreasonable or a hand out. WE as a group have taken responsibility for our future by electing Union representation and achieving a contract with protections from non professional small minded management types like you. As far as respect goes, there is no one in management that most of us would give a damn about having their respect. The respect of my fellow pilots for my professional abilities is far more valuable than that of bunch of a$$ sucking sycophants.

"If you look at the performance of FO over that last few years, the positive movement is due to dedicated employees (pilots too), and management that doesn't want the place to fail."

Management has run this company into the ground over the past few years. What planet have you been living on? The only one that could have made such a statement as you have here is clearly management trying to distance yourself from the complete failure you have been. Every failure, every problem, and God forbid if it happens, the company failure is and has clearly been the result of incompetent management. I hope you are proud to be one of them.

Like I said, new management, Riccie, has a window to recognize and do what needs to be done to save Options. The only question is can and will he.

 

[brokeflyer]

skanza...can you say "i just got owned...."

lol

seek life elsewhere

 

[waka]

Yes, by the way, I am accusing some people of causing damage to an airplane in order to have a write up. There's no way to prove it, but that doesn't matter. Only those people know the truth and that's all that counts.

Guess what, genius? People like that have gotten fired. (i.e. the guy that got canned for breaking a rudder boost switch and he was turned in by a union supporter). The 1108 does have a professional standards committee. Given that you're willing to knowingly fly unsafely and illegally, you wouldn't be too familiar with that word.

Since neither one of you are professionals, you and B19 can continue to try and bring the profession down. It won't matter anyway. After all, you both are idiots that suck at what you do.

 

[skanza]

Guess what, genius? People like that have gotten fired. (i.e. the guy that got canned for breaking a rudder boost switch and he was turned in by a union supporter). The 1108 does have a professional standards committee. Given that you're willing to knowingly fly unsafely and illegally, you wouldn't be too familiar with that word.

What? How can you say that? You don't know me and I have not advocated that.

Since neither one of you are professionals, you and B19 can continue to try and bring the profession down. It won't matter anyway. After all, you both are idiots that suck at what you do.

You are no more a judge of whos professional than I am. Especially on an internet forum!

"Idiots that suck at what we do"? That's pretty weak, dude. I don't even know what you're talking about, but I did get you fired up, right sweetie?

And the guy that got turned in for breaking the switch, serves him right. Union or not. Just keep trying those Union inspired operation stalling techniques and see how far that gets you. I'm sure Ricci won't put up with any of that shiznit.

 

[skanza]

You obviously are in management because no self respecting profisional member of OUR pilot group would ever suggest that one of Our fellows would do somthing that was a federal crime.

What a MOORON you are.

And while I'm at it,,,,,




“unions were needed. A long time ago when companies were run by corrupt, greedy people that expected a lot of production out of under paid employees that were working in very poor working conditions. But times are different now and a company run like that will fail in the market - collapsing under the weight of the greed and corruption.”

You must be talking about a long time ago like 4 months ago when we were still managed by two very over paid complete idiots, that expected us to continue to keep this company growing while they paid us half of industry, while cutting back on our quality of hotels, crew meals, travel, adding ridiculous standby requirements, getting rid of our domiciles causing our pilots to uproot their families, tripling the cost of health insurance. Had these two idiots been allowed to remain in control of Options we surly would have gone under. These abuses are the exact reason that we now have a Union at Options and they weren’t here as long ago as you suggest. We have a window of hope now with new management that the lunacy of the past 5 years will be recognized and corrected, a contract will finally be completed, and this company will get back on the road to growth. But even if all those things happen it still does not eliminate the original motivations and need for a Union and a contract. Tomorrow our new management could be gone and the same dumb a$$ that just about destroyed us could be back to finish the job.

“Now, unions are used by people that are a bit lazy, expecting a hand out, want someone else to be responsible for their career, and expect to "just have" respect, not earn it.”

I’ve been around from the beginning and helped build this company from the ground, many of us have. I have watch Options go through all of the gyrations it has to get where we are today. I have not heard of one single thing that our Union is negotiating for that is unreasonable or a hand out. WE as a group have taken responsibility for our future by electing Union representation and achieving a contract with protections from non professional small minded management types like you. As far as respect goes, there is no one in management that most of us would give a damn about having their respect. The respect of my fellow pilots for my professional abilities is far more valuable than that of bunch of a$$ sucking sycophants.

"If you look at the performance of FO over that last few years, the positive movement is due to dedicated employees (pilots too), and management that doesn't want the place to fail."

Management has run this company into the ground over the past few years. What planet have you been living on? The only one that could have made such a statement as you have here is clearly management trying to distance yourself from t way he complete failure you have been. Every failure, every problem, and God forbid if it happens, the company failure is and has clearly been the result of incompetent management. I hope you are proud to be one of them.

Like I said, new management, Riccie, has a window to recognize and do what needs to be done to save Options. The only question is can and will he.

Ummm... So. There's absolutly no way there can be happy emplyees or a successful company without a union? And management is always wrong and always against the employee? Is that that basis of what you're saying?
If you think that, you're unbelieveable but a good example of one who's stuck on a dogmatic principle of the way things should be and suffers from the inherent limitations of this narrow way of thinking. Kinda like religion, but I digress...
Where as, I have admitted that the need for a union has existed and may still in some instances, but you folks have never entertained an idea other that a union.
Typical.

 

[brokeflyer]

go away......your irritate similar to a hemeroid.

 

[waka]

"Idiots that suck at what we do"? That's pretty weak, dude. I don't even know what you're talking about, but I did get you fired up, right sweetie?

No, I'm not fired up. As for you not knowing what I'm talking about, that goes with the territory. After all, retards don't know they're retards.

The guy that got turned in for breaking the switch, serves him right. Union or not. Just keep trying those Union inspired operation stalling techniques and see how far that gets you. I'm sure Ricci won't put up with any of that shiznit.

That incident wasn't union motivated. That pilot was not a union supporter. He broke that switch because he didn't like that he was getting home so late. That is one reason why you're an idiot. You talk out of your @ss when you have no clue.

You are no more a judge of whos professional than I am. Especially on an internet forum!

In spite of your incomplete sentences, I see what you're saying. However, I can easily pass judgment on the professionalism (or lack thereof) of any idiot that openly advocates knowingly flying airplanes with discrepancies. Yeah right, flying illegally......you're such a professional!

It's bad enough that you lie to us. What's worse is you lieing to yourself.