Flops Randomly *terminating* Many Pilots !beware!

[B19 Flyer]

Oh and B19 go F... Yourself. I'm still here

Is that Beavis or Butthead that you idolize?

 

[dime line]

Is that Beavis or Butthead that you idolize?

So do you feel good about what you did moron? Glad you crossed that picket line long ago? I actually heard from a JAL pilot, that has flown with you,that knows you, your own son doesn't talk to you anymore. Due to you crossing and the calling all of your buddies and asking them to cross the Estern picket line.

 

[Diesel]

.........your own son doesn't talk to you anymore. Due to you crossing and the calling all of your buddies and asking them to cross the Estern picket line.

Ooooof that must make your christmas really cheerful. A bottle of jim beam and a revolver clicking away on your lap. Drink, spin the gun, drink, spin the gun.....think about being a scab.... drink, spin the gun

Don't worry you won't be found till the neighbors complain about the stench.

 

[B19 Flyer]

So do you feel good about what you did moron? Glad you crossed that picket line long ago? I actually heard from a JAL pilot, that has flown with you,that knows you, your own son doesn't talk to you anymore. Due to you crossing and the calling all of your buddies and asking them to cross the Estern picket line.

You obviously have me confused with somebody that cared enough to cross.

My son lives at home and is in high school, I've never personally flown over the Pacific, and I've never had the opportunity to cross a pickett line.

You avoid my question though dimeline.. is that Beavis or Butthead you idolize?

Tell me something else, did 1108 tell you that layoffs could happen during a nasty union negotiation or that strike benefits would NOT even cover the COBRA insurance payments for your family?

There shouldn't be any surprises here. You and the 64% should have been ready for this, and the remaining 33% are getting screwed bigtime from the union greed.

 

[J.Otto]

Is that Beavis or Butthead that you idolize?

c'mon...

...you can (I hope) do better than that! :laugh:

 

[AAflyer]

Good Luck Guys,

I have had the privilege to train new guys, and work with recurrent guys here at CAE.

Always Professional aviators.

Wish you all the best.

AAflyer

 

[goodgig]

Dumb question time:

What is happening to customers now? Are they leaving? Are they making their flights? Is FLOPS chartering a bunch of flights? What is the customers attitude in general about all the heavy handed management BS?

 

[J.Otto]

Dumb question time:

What is happening to customers now? Are they leaving? Are they making their flights? Is FLOPS chartering a bunch of flights? What is the customers attitude in general about all the heavy handed management BS?

I've already heard of owners looking or leaving. Not pleased with how management handled the ops.

 

[WabiSabi]

This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

You know what is funny? It is funny that this ignore message is just like what Sell-his-own-mother Babbling Bob B19 the Scab contributes to the discussion; Absolutely nothing!

 

[brokeflyer]

You obviously have me confused with somebody that cared enough to cross.

My son lives at home and is in high school, I've never personally flown over the Pacific, and I've never had the opportunity to cross a pickett line.

You avoid my question though dimeline.. is that Beavis or Butthead you idolize?

Tell me something else, did 1108 tell you that layoffs could happen during a nasty union negotiation or that strike benefits would NOT even cover the COBRA insurance payments for your family?

There shouldn't be any surprises here. You and the 64% should have been ready for this, and the remaining 33% are getting screwed bigtime from the union greed.

Flops sucks cause they aint got a union......netjets rules (undisputed) because we got a union....

end of discussion.

 

[TurboHonda]

B19 is a confirmed scab.

My son lives at home and is in high school, I've never personally flown over the Pacific, and I've never had the opportunity to cross a pickett line.

That's a lie. It was posted by a moderator months ago that your registrations information shows you to be a known SCAB.

I have you on ignore, but people keep quoting you.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Dumb question time:

What is happening to customers now? Are they leaving? Are they making their flights? Is FLOPS chartering a bunch of flights? What is the customers attitude in general about all the heavy handed management BS?

Still too early to tell how Friday's massacre will effect our customer base if at all - bad PR overall. Management has recently admitted a significant increase in owner 'redemptions'.

 

[B19 Flyer]

My son lives at home and is in high school, I've never personally flown over the Pacific, and I've never had the opportunity to cross a pickett line.

That's a lie. It was posted by a moderator months ago that your registrations information shows you to be a known SCAB.

I have you on ignore, but people keep quoting you.

I've stated many times that I WOULD have crossed but never had the opportunity too.

It takes a lot more nuts to stand up for what you believe in and cross a picket line than it does to stand in one.

What is happening at FLOPS right now is due to the failure of 1108 to get it done. They made the case that they closed the deal quickly at NJ, and 64% of the pilots at NJ got suckered by the koolaide.

You asked for a union and all the turmoil that goes with it, you don't have a right to whine.

Get over it, do your job and pound on that ineffective union leadership you voted in.

Grow some nuts....

 

[slowjet]

B19,

The 1108 is on property because of incompetent and unethical management. Management increased our insurance, management set the low pay scales, management used unethical tactics to get pilots to fly broke airplanes, management kicked people who are fighting cancer off of health insurance and made them pay COBRA, management is the greedy one. Management are the ones who did not "get it done".
Management fired us- not the 1108.

Since my wrongful termination, I have received support and confidence from people who are professionals and truely have compassion and morals. Who are these people? They are the 1108- the pilots of Flight Options. These pilots of 1108 are the ones with integrity, honor and worthy of respect. These people in the 1108 are my friends. FLOPS may have taken my job, but they will never take away my integrity and character.

I am the one without a job. I am the one without health care insurance for my family. My wife and childen support me in my decision to stick my neck out to better the life of our pilot group. I do not regret my actions at all. I'd do it again.

So, B-19, I really do not care who or what you are.
You do not have the right to say anything about the 1108 or any of the pilots wrongfully terminated. Go back to your desk or flight deck- I really do not care. I know who and what I am, my children know their father is a good man who can look at himself in the mirror and sleep knowing he did his job with professionalism and honor- that's all that matters.

Judgement day will bring out the truth- I do not fear that day.

Good luck with your soul.

 

[RNObased]

When the union came around with the pitchers of koolaide bragging about how much the union was going to make life better, they did inform the Flight Options pilots that something like this could happen, right?

There should be no surprises here. 1108 didn't get it done and has made life worse for everybody. Period.

The sad part is that the 33% of the pilots that didn't want the union in the first place have to share in the pain of this.

With the economy collapsing, it's nowhere near done either, what a shame.

Be careful what you ask for...

Wow, if you actually believe what you post. I'm not sure you should have a medical for the obvious reason that you are out of your mind.

I see you made no mention of mangement incompetence in your post. Talk about not getting it done!!

As for blaming the economy for the problems at FLOPS that is a cop out. Perhaps if mangement had treated the owners better you won't be losing them.

 

[brokeflyer]

I've stated many times that I WOULD have crossed but never had the opportunity too.

It takes a lot more nuts to stand up for what you believe in and cross a picket line than it does to stand in one.

What is happening at FLOPS right now is due to the failure of 1108 to get it done. They made the case that they closed the deal quickly at NJ, and 64% of the pilots at NJ got suckered by the koolaide.

You asked for a union and all the turmoil that goes with it, you don't have a right to whine.

Get over it, do your job and pound on that ineffective union leadership you voted in.

Grow some nuts....

Whats happeing at FLOPS is because of the piss poor management.....they don't have a union yet so it ain't their fault. Just keep quiet cause you really don't have the facts. And you don't pay your union dues so your not allowed to bitch about anything.

NJ does great because of the union keeps the company from fcking everything up and sh*tting all over the pilots. That is undisputed.

 

[nerdpilot]

I have to say my piece on this and understand if you disagree with my words. The union did not fail nor did management. It was the pilots that worked there and in some ways it was alot of the pilots in this industry that have failed us all.

We are our worst enemies.

How many underpaid, overworked and underapprieciated pilots do you know???

People will treat you exactly how you let them treat you.

 

[dime line]

I have to say my piece on this and understand if you disagree with my words. The union did not fail nor did management. It was the pilots that worked there and in some ways it was alot of the pilots in this industry that have failed us all.

We are our worst enemies.

How many underpaid, overworked and underapprieciated pilots do you know???

People will treat you exactly how you let them treat you.

You need to undersand before NJ's contract,FLOPS was the highest paid. and a lot of the pilots that worked to make it a better place post NJ's contract were just FIRED out of senority

 

[netjetwife]

... The 1108 is on property because of incompetent and unethical management. ...management is the greedy one. Management are the ones who did not "get it done". Management fired us- not the 1108....These people in the 1108 are my friends. FLOPS may have taken my job, but they will never take away my integrity and character. Hear! Hear! Well said!!

I am the one without a job. I am the one without health care insurance for my family. A reality that qualifies you to speak about the situation far surpasses the predictable FUD. My wife and children support me in my decision to stick my neck out to better the life of our pilot group. Kudos to your family! Please give them my best regards. I do not regret my actions at all. I'd do it again. Spoken like a true labor battle warrior that is a credit to his group.

So, B-19, I really do not care who or what you are. A fudspinner--paid or unpaid it matters not--equally despicable, yet irrelevant. You do not have the right to say anything about the 1108 or any of the pilots wrongfully terminated. Exactly! Go back to your desk or flight deck- I really do not care. I know who and what I am, my children know their father is a good man who can look at himself in the mirror and sleep knowing he did his job with professionalism and honor- that's all that matters. Which is way more than the FLOPS and the Fudspinners can say. ....

Slowjet, you're an asset to your Union and smart managers would realize that you're exactly the type of professional they need. Hang in there! NJW

 

[netjetwife]

Wow, if you actually believe what you post. I'm not sure you should have a medical for the obvious reason that you are out of your mind. Bingo! That would be the reason B19's referred to as the Village Idiot.

I see you made no mention of mangement incompetence in your post. Good point! What is not said is often as informative as what a person does say. Talk about not getting it done!! There have been numerous examples of management failure but, typically, the Fudspinner tries to deny reality because it doesn't fit his anti-union agenda.

As for blaming the economy for the problems at FLOPS that is a cop out. Perhaps if mangement had treated the owners better you won't be losing them.

Same thing can be said about all the Options pilots that went elsewhere looking for respect and fair wages. It isn't surprising that managers who treat the workforce badly are also lacking in customer service. That's why I refer to them as the FLOPS and say they should get the boot.

 

[Newkem]

Absolutely destroy it. BURN IT DOWN.

If there is any reason to in the future... rebuild it, but in YOUR image.

Absolute destruction. SLASH AND BURN.

CRIPPLE THE BUSINESS. The "job" you have isn't that good anyway.

Are you Saudi?

 

[waka]

Are you Saudi?

or maybe he is a white guy?

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19,

The 1108 is on property because of incompetent and unethical management. Management increased our insurance, management set the low pay scales, management used unethical tactics to get pilots to fly broke airplanes, management kicked people who are fighting cancer off of health insurance and made them pay COBRA, management is the greedy one. Management are the ones who did not "get it done".
Management fired us- not the 1108.

Since my wrongful termination, I have received support and confidence from people who are professionals and truely have compassion and morals. Who are these people? They are the 1108- the pilots of Flight Options. These pilots of 1108 are the ones with integrity, honor and worthy of respect. These people in the 1108 are my friends. FLOPS may have taken my job, but they will never take away my integrity and character.

I am the one without a job. I am the one without health care insurance for my family. My wife and childen support me in my decision to stick my neck out to better the life of our pilot group. I do not regret my actions at all. I'd do it again.

So, B-19, I really do not care who or what you are.
You do not have the right to say anything about the 1108 or any of the pilots wrongfully terminated. Go back to your desk or flight deck- I really do not care. I know who and what I am, my children know their father is a good man who can look at himself in the mirror and sleep knowing he did his job with professionalism and honor- that's all that matters.

Judgement day will bring out the truth- I do not fear that day.

Good luck with your soul.

I've been laid off twice. Been there, done that got the t-shirt.

Both times as a direct result of union activity. I despise unions more than you despise management. There is nothing you are going through now that I haven't been through twice.


I lost everything you did. Health insurance, retirement and my chosen career. My family was moved twice. The only blessing was it educated me about the evil unions play in the airline industry and taught me never to play with them again. No union, no layoff.


First time for you I imagine? I fixed my problem by finding a solid airline without a union with a good reputation. I've never been more satisfied and safe.


It sucks, and I feel for you. There is more empathy from me than most any pilot on this board. You feel you were wronged by management. I KNOW I was wronged by two different unions.

But, what I said stands true and I speak from first hand experience. I'm not changing my opinion on what happened.

Over and over I've stated putting a union on the property is ugly. Very ugly. You were part of the sacrifice that the union should have prepared you for. My guess is that it's not over yet either.

Unions don't prepare their brethren for these types of things. It's all part or the koolaide for them to get pilots to buy into the program.

Looks like FLOPS management is going to fight it to the end.

1108 supporters are getting exactly what they asked for and should have expected.

 

[fischman]

yawn............

 

[dime line]

SCAB ..

 

[Galaxy]

Are you Saudi?

No, He just likely got fired for no reason at all.

 

[Sky Captain]

I fixed my problem by finding a solid airline without a union with a good reputation. I've never been more satisfied and safe.

A solid airline without a Union? Who would that be?

I think you are full of bull schit.

 

[bchjetdrvr]

Ain

Flight Options Downsizes, Terminates Pilots

By Chad Trauvetter
May 27, 2008
Fractional


Ohio-based Flight Options on Friday closed its maintenance facility at Cleveland Cuyahoga Airport and dismissed about 200 employees, 68 of whom were pilots, according to IBT Local 1108, which represents the fractional provider’s pilots. A pilot union spokesman told AIN that the flight crew eliminations were done regardless of seniority and were based on “performance.

A Flight Options spokeswoman confirmed, “We did have a reduction–they were terminations, not layoffs–[and] the Cleveland maintenance facility has been closed. In a statement, the company said poor economic conditions and a “reduction in demand” have caused it “to scale the business to match current and future needs and to maintain the overall health of the company.

Fractional industry analysts Mike Riegel of Fractional Insider and Kevin O’Leary of Jet Advisors both said Flight Options’ net sales were down about three aircraft year-to-date, with Riegel telling AIN that Flight Options has been the “worst performer by far” of the major fractionals this year. The pilot union spokesman said there are roughly 500 pilots remaining and about 125 aircraft still in the fleet.

In December, Flight Options said it had 140 aircraft in its fleet. The Flight Options spokeswoman would not confirm the number of remaining employees or the number of aircraft in its fleet, nor would she comment on any possible further personnel or aircraft fleet reductions.

http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/flight-options-downsizes-terminates-pilots/

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Laid off? Terminated? Fired? Furloughed?

Poll.

http://www.polldaddy.com/p/649061/

 

[WabiSabi]

bump.

 

[TurboHonda]

bump.

How are we going to find out what happened to the odd Atlanic buck, if you keep pushing important and meaningful stuff to the top?