Flops Randomly *terminating* Many Pilots !beware!

[Voice Of Reason]

You need to undersand before NJ's contract,FLOPS was the highest paid. and a lot of the pilots that worked to make it a better place post NJ's contract were just FIRED out of senority

Exactly.
NJA was also crying poverty when the were presenting their "ridiculous" demands to mgt. Everything cycles....hopefully the mgt/ownership cycle will turn for the better soon, and they will realize what the morons in there now can't...that a great contract is the LAST hope for happy employees that can make the customer (the only one we probaby have left) happy.

 

[netjetwife]

In a statement, the company said poor economic conditions and a “reduction in demand” have caused it “to scale the business to match current and future needs and to maintain the overall health of the company.

In the recent past (a couple of months ago?) MS told the media in Ohio that FltOps was going to be growing and creating more jobs this year. Remember that he was demanding the same break that NJA was getting from the state to help with their training campus. Obviously MS has no integrity and just says whatever he thinks will best serve his purpose... He's a failure as the CEO of an aviation company, but hey, the guy would fit right in at Fud and Harassment. His ability to string people along is just what they look for, you know. With the Sheeringa Gang calling the shots the Options pilotgroup never knows what the truth actually is. How frustrating! In a situation like that a contract is the only thing the pilots can trust. Best Wishes! NJW

 

[ultrarunner]

My son lives at home and is in high school, I've never personally flown over the Pacific, and I've never had the opportunity to cross a pickett line.

That's a lie. It was posted by a moderator months ago that your registrations information shows you to be a known SCAB.

Wow...moderators blowing in know-scabs....

that's pretty cool.

 

[800DRIVER]

There are about 200 that need to be gone at NJ, from the one who pees on nose gear in front of an fbo to the one who causes CEOs to miss meetings - but the lock step self proclaimed union myrmidons on the website fanatically support them.

 

[ultrarunner]

800, it's generally accepted that unions breed laziness..so every now and then, as you mention above, there are those that take advantage of that fact.

 

[netjetwife]

That assumption/opinion is generally based on blue collar, factory workers (often a higher turn-over rate, less career mind-set)--not on the behavior of professional pilots. I'm not saying there aren't a few bad apples out there (that's reality) like the sort found in every large group. However, there are plenty of posts on the NJ Association board calling for the pilotgroup to continue/improve their self-policing efforts and demanding that high standards be followed by every pilot in the Association. One hopes that the need for a class act/appearance and outstanding customer service would be obvious to all frac pilots, but reminders can't hurt. My thanks to all the hard-working NJ pilots that uphold the Company's good reputation.

Just to clarify, I think the Options pilots were wrongfully fired for trumped up reasons--not productivity levels they had little control over. The bad apples at FltOps are easy to spot in upper management and their rotten actions are stinking up the company.

 

[flyjetspeed]

I would have thought the Flt Ops Management would be a bit more careful about, potentially illegal actions while a union is negotiating a contract. I'm no lawyer but I believe people have gone to prison for willful violation of the laws governing Labor in this country. Or maybe they're really just too stupid to watch their own 6.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Anyone Notice Lately????

Anyone notice a big change in when people (outside the industry) ask you where you work, and you usually have to explain what it is, etc...that NOW as soon as you say "Flight Options" (embarrassed)-- you don't even have to say anymore....So far SEVERAL times I've gotten the "OH! YEAH! I was just reading about them in the paper---that's the place that just fired all those people" answer.
Infamous now, I guess.
Apparently there IS such a thing as BAD publicity, because every Joe Schmo is enlightened on the intricacies of a company that makes you fly "the junk."

 

[dime line]

I just talked to a couple of FLOPS owners this week and let them know exactly what is going on at FLOPS. We have nothing to loose now that FLOPS terminated 70 of our pilots

 

[netjetwife]

The one good thing about hitting bottom is there's no place to go but up. It also sometimes takes a slap in the face to wake some pilots up to the reality of what has been going on around them as they sit on the fence refusing to rock the boat. Mixed metaphors, yes. But the overworked/underpaid Options pilotgroup knows exactly what I'm talking about. Hang in there! It's always darker before dawn. NJW

 

[dime line]

Sounds like some of the remaining FLOPS will be sweeping the Fired pilots under the rug. latest Ive heard

 

[jetwash]

I have to disagree, I for one will vote no on any contract that does not include a provision for those pilots to come back.

 

[netjetwife]

It's important to remember that the bargaining environment is very fluid and Union negotiators have to consider all management proposals lest they be accused (hypocritical as it would be ) of not bargaining in good faith. I think this requirement can have a tendency to tie their hands. It's my observation that there are times that the pilotgroup (who has more freedom to express their severe displeasure) can send a message on their own. As Jetwash has pointed out--you have to vote for it or it will not pass. Your negotiators are fully aware of that fact.

 

[J3 Guy]

OMG, Netjetwife is back with 1,984 post and growing every minute.

 

[netjetwife]

I look at this as an online community where I can talk about the issues without having to explain that...no I'm not divorced ...their dad isn't here just for a visit ...a frac is....1108 is....NJASAP is....not all pilots are well paid...the reason my husband belongs to a union....why we're leaving the Teamsters. OK. That last one requires less explanation than the others , but you get the idea, I think.

Furthermore, as a matter of principle, it is only right that I offer moral support to the Options pilots just as I did to the NJA pilots during their contract negotiations. I encouraged the Options pilots to stand up for themselves and I admire them for doing so. Their fight for a contract is a worthy cause fully deserving of support.

I focus on people--not the number of posts I've made. What is more interesting to me is watching the bar being raised in the fractional industry, seeing positive changes in the Union-Company relationship at NJA, and noting the ever-growing solidarity among the Options pilots. Camaraderie is a good thing--the more the merrier. Happy posting... NJW

 

[skanza]

I just talked to a couple of FLOPS owners this week and let them know exactly what is going on at FLOPS. We have nothing to loose now that FLOPS terminated 70 of our pilots

I can only imagine what you said. But how do you intend on receiving that big, thanks to the union, pay raise after pissing off the people that pay the bills? Way to go, jackass!

 

[gunfyter]

Shouldn't they know exactly whats going on? Or should the truth remain hidden?

We Report. You decide. Fair and balanced....

 

[ProFracPilot]

I can only imagine what you said. But how do you intend on receiving that big, thanks to the union, pay raise after pissing off the people that pay the bills? Way to go, jackass!

YGBSM. Do you really believe our owners have NO idea what is going on with the train wreck that is CGF management? When I have 9 year owners telling me they're leaving because they're tired of the constant, poorly told lies from OSR? Or when I see first hand an owner's husband get in the face of Baboo because he disrespected the owner's wife? If you've been around here more than 4 or 5 years, you know we never had these kinds of customer dis-service issues until MS and SA started running the place. Running it into the ground, I might add.

Get a clue, Skumza. The issue with Flight Options is a top-down problem, not a union problem.

 

[400pilot]

Or when I see first hand an owner's husband get in the face of Baboo because he disrespected the owner's wife?

Would love to have seen that episode.....

 

[Galaxy]

I can only imagine what you said. But how do you intend on receiving that big, thanks to the union, pay raise after pissing off the people that pay the bills? Way to go, jackass!

That rope for the FLOPS life ring was cut a long time ago. The only people that cling on to salvation from Sh1tfinger is ahhhh you and B19. You are likely sitting across from each other in his office right now. Tell Bob I said Hi! The employees know it sucks and the owners know it sucks. We are all leaving voluntary and involuntary. The only ones who have a glimer of hope have an insight to how much money FLOPS has left to pay F & H.