Flexjet, pilots...

[luckydog]

Go ahead an PM me your name, and I'll make sure you get the boot to a$$ treatment next time we meet

Really???? So if I tell both you to PM me your names and well see whos boot goes up whos ass? thats not consider a Physical threat? Good to know..PM away!!!

You appear to be so literal that you might think that my adding you to my FI ignore list means I'll actually ignore you in person! So, I'll be the FJ you speak to but doesn't seem to acknowledge your presence.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Look in the mirror. The only one trying to be a thug is you. And it's not working on me!

You are the one trying to push your agenda on us, not the other way around.

Rejecting your views does not make me a thug. Pushing you views on people who don't want them (I am speaking of myself) does.

Wait, maybe it makes you thug-like. Can I use that term and then turn around and say "but I didn't say you were a thug?"

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

I be happy, you cant see it in my typing. Also I don't have to wear that new uniform, I be really happy

Time will tell. Bet your uniform will change sooner than you think.

Remember, your contract may dictate that only certain pieces can be changed, but those can be changed without your input.

 

[dime line]

Time will tell. Bet your uniform will change sooner than you think.

Remember, your contract may dictate that only certain pieces can be changed, but those can be changed without your input.

You might be right but...contract says Black Belt and White Dress shirt. But as we (and Flex) know Ricci operates in the "Grey" area, so no one knows where this will go.

9.1 Company Provided Uniform Articles and Acc
a. ....everything not in 9.2...

9.2 Pilot Provided Uniform Articles and Acc
a. White Dress Shirt with Flap pockets (company now pays for)
b. Black Belt (pilot paid for)
c. Black shoes (company now pays for)
d. Black Socks (pilot paid for)

9.3 Change in Uniform
a. The Company shall provide........referred to in subsection 9.1

9.4 Uniform Articles and Acc Replacement
a. The Company Shall provide........reffered to in subsection 9.1

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA you crack me up. I really am not pushing anything, but when I ask a question, you have to LABEL me as a union thug? What's the purpose in that?

 

[The Architect]

What do you think?

Are we getting screwed?

Globals on Flexjet/Jet Solutions certificate and marketed by Flexjet. Majority of pilots assigned to aircraft are Flight Options seniority-listed pilots on PLOA from Flight Options.

Phenom 300's advertised/marketed by Flight Options, and now advertised/marketed by Flexjet, on Flight Options certificate. Flown exclusively by Flight Options seniority-listed pilots.

Flexjet - 0 hires in 2014, except for the Flight Options pilots flying the Globals and 4 Flight Options seniority-listed pilots on PLOA flying the LR from Flight Options.

Flight Options - 22 pilots recalled in just over a month (between September 29 and November 9, 2014). 2 more recalls are currently in process.

KR and team must be eagerly trimming the fat at Flexjet.

 

[jetwash]

There is also big time hiring going on in CGF at the HQ. Lots of new dispatchers, owner servise reps, flight attendents. Etc.....
They had a class of over 25 new office workers last month.

It looks like expansion at Flight Options in the near future.


What is happeing in Dallas at FJ? Are they also hiring?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Globals on Flexjet/Jet Solutions certificate and marketed by Flexjet. Majority of pilots assigned to aircraft are Flight Options seniority-listed pilots on PLOA from Flight Options.

Phenom 300's advertised/marketed by Flight Options, and now advertised/marketed by Flexjet, on Flight Options certificate. Flown exclusively by Flight Options seniority-listed pilots.

Flexjet - 0 hires in 2014, except for the Flight Options pilots flying the Globals and 4 Flight Options seniority-listed pilots on PLOA flying the LR from Flight Options.

Flight Options - 22 pilots recalled in just over a month (between September 29 and November 9, 2014). 2 more recalls are currently in process.

KR and team must be eagerly trimming the fat at Flexjet.

I know it was not an intentional omission, but what about the Challenger 300s advertised/marketed by FO, on the JSLLC certificate flown exclusively by FJ seniority-listed pilots.

I am glad you guys are recalling to replace the pilots that are jumping ship to FJ. Is that 22 number the pilots contacted for recall or pilots accepting recall and starting class?

What will happen in 2 years to those recalled pilots if the FO pilots at FJ elect to come back to FO since you have zero planned growth?

4 more of your pilots start Monday at FJ with MANY more coming in December and January although I am sure you already knew this.

 

[The Architect]

No Challengers at Flight Options Now

I know it was not an intentional omission, but what about the Challenger 300s advertised/marketed by FO, on the JSLLC certificate flown exclusively by FJ seniority-listed pilots.

What about those Challengers? Not happening as you described. Challengers can't be operated as you described. Scope violation. Go check out Flight Options website. Challengers are gone.

I am glad you guys are recalling to replace the pilots that are jumping ship to FJ. Is that 22 number the pilots contacted for recall or pilots accepting recall and starting class?

Nice try. The "jumping ship to FJ" is insignificant. However, 5 brand new Phenoms on the Flight Options certificate, flown by Flight Options seniority-list pilots and advertised/marketed at Flight Options and Flexjet...well, that my friend generates recalls. 22 is the number of pilots actually back on the job. Two more class dates this month.

What will happen in 2 years to those recalled pilots if the FO pilots at FJ elect to come back to FO since you have zero planned growth?

Umm, let's see. Guess you were lied to again. It's not 2 years. That would violate the CBA. It's only one year at Flexjet because the maximum PLOA at Flight Options is 12 months. So, any of those pilots could return to Flight Options in a year. And Flight Options has to take them back...it's in the CBA. Let me cut off any doubt you may kick back...simply ask one of those pilots how long their PLOA is from Flight Options.

4 more of your pilots start Monday at FJ with MANY more coming in December and January although I am sure you already knew this.

Really didn't want to rub in the fact that Flexjet is picking up 4 more, most junior, highly paid First Officers. So, what's the point? Flexjet will have hired (as new-hires) 8 pilots that are Flight Options seniority-listed on a one year PLOA. Flight Options has recalled 22 and MANY more to come.

It's all good. If the Flight Options pilots continue to slowly slide to the Flexjet sister company, and Flight Options continues to recall...well, sounds like the scales continue to tip...toward the Flight Options pilots. Don't be fooled. Those 8 pilots will most likely be 8 votes for the IBT. Especially after being at Flexjet a while. Not a bad plan.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

What about those Challengers? Not happening as you described. Challengers can't be operated as you described. Scope violation. Go check out Flight Options website. Challengers are gone.



Nice try. The "jumping ship to FJ" is insignificant. However, 5 brand new Phenoms on the Flight Options certificate, flown by Flight Options seniority-list pilots and advertised/marketed at Flight Options and Flexjet...well, that my friend generates recalls. 22 is the number of pilots actually back on the job. Two more class dates this month.



Umm, let's see. Guess you were lied to again. It's not 2 years. That would violate the CBA. It's only one year at Flexjet because the maximum PLOA at Flight Options is 12 months. So, any of those pilots could return to Flight Options in a year. And Flight Options has to take them back...it's in the CBA. Let me cut off any doubt you may kick back...simply ask one of those pilots how long their PLOA is from Flight Options.



Really didn't want to rub in the fact that Flexjet is picking up 4 more, most junior, highly paid First Officers. So, what's the point? Flexjet will have hired (as new-hires) 8 pilots that are Flight Options seniority-listed on a one year PLOA. Flight Options has recalled 22 and MANY more to come.

It's all good. If the Flight Options pilots continue to slowly slide to the Flexjet sister company, and Flight Options continues to recall...well, sounds like the scales continue to tip...toward the Flight Options pilots. Don't be fooled. Those 8 pilots will most likely be 8 votes for the IBT. Especially after being at Flexjet a while. Not a bad plan.

Well, the first 4 that I talked to are very glad to be out from under the IBT. We will see about the rest.

Keep trying to spin pilots jumping ship as a plus for the IBT. You know better.

 

[The Architect]

That's it?

Well, the first 4 that I talked to are very glad to be out from under the IBT. We will see about the rest.

Keep trying to spin pilots jumping ship as a plus for the IBT. You know better.

Four sentences?

Of course they are gonna say that to your face!!!!

What did you expect?

Maybe something like... I love Flight Options! I love that I can come here and get another type rating! I love that I make more money than pilots senior to me! I love that I can go back to Flight Options in 12 months!

No, and certainly not to you! They know exactly who you are!

Slipping...slipping...

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Four sentences?

Of course they are gonna say that to your face!!!!

What did you expect?

Maybe something like... I love Flight Options! I love that I can come here and get another type rating! I love that I make more money than pilots senior to me! I love that I can go back to Flight Options in 12 months!

No, and certainly not to you! They know exactly who you are!

Slipping...slipping...

Only thing slipping is the IBTs control.

 

[Praetorian]

Why would you make this post below without trying to get accurate information first, or were you in such a hurry to post the $$$ to try to show how these 4 pilots are SOOOO screwing the FJ pilots that your didn't care how accurate the numbers were?

And once again, who is the "source" for this information regarding my job to come on here a fight the union? I would work on getting a better mole.

You sir are a liar and a deceiver. I looked up Cabbies numbers in our CBA and, although it seems he rounded the FO numbers off to the nearest thousandth, he posted the accurate numbers, right out of our contract. And the FX numbers he's comparing them too are right out of the memo Deana sent to all of us before she was sacked.

So bottom line, yes it's true, on day one as a F/O at FX, former FO pilot, TW will be making more than your nine year Lear 45 Capts. It's also true that on day one as FOs at FX, the other three guys will be making over $40,000 more then year two Lear 45 F/Os already on the property.

So go ahead insult me and try to trick your fellow FX pilots. Claim my numbers are inaccurate. Attempt to divert their attention. Tell us to "look over there"! But your spell is broken.

From what I hear, from talking to your pilots out on the road, you've lost their respect. They know who you are and they know you've been doing uncles work for him on here. They wonder how much it cost him to buy you. They are wondering what you were promised.

As a traitor to our profession you are not worthy of our pity. The best thing you could do now is admit you were wrong and sign on to help your fellow pilots.

Or, we could add you to this list of famous traitors:

• John Anthony Walker Jr. ? The U.S. Navy officer spied for the Russians from 1968-1985. Walker developed a spy ring involving his son Michael, brother Arthur and Navy officer Jerry Whitworth. He helped the Soviets decipher more than one million encrypted naval messages. He is sometimes described as the most damaging Soviet spy in history. All the members in the spy ring, besides Michael, received life sentences.
• Aldrich Ames ? The CIA operative began spying for the Soviet Union in 1985. He even passed two polygraph examinations. He was arrested in 1994 just before flying to Moscow and convicted of spying for the Soviets. According to news reports, he earned more than $4.6 million from his espionage. His activities led to the death of numerous Russian double agents.
• Benedict Arnold ? The America?s Revolutionary army, who was honored by George Washington himself, defected to the British in 1779. He obtained command of West Point in order to surrender it to the British, but his plot was exposed. He led British forces on raids in Virginia and Connecticut in the war. In 1782, Arnold moved to London. He died in 1801 and was buried at St. Mary?s Church, Battersea in London.
• Judas Iscariot ? According to the New Testament, Judas, one of the 12 disciples, betrayed Jesus with a kiss for ?thirty pieces of silver.? He later hanged himself.
• Marcus Junius Brutus ? The Roman politician turned against his patron, Roman dictator Julius Caesar, and took a leading role in the assassination conspiracy against Caesar in 44 BC. ?Et tu, Brute?? (?You, too, Brutus?), were Caesar?s last words. Two years later, after being defeated by Mark Antony?s army, Brutus committed suicide.
• J.M. - Flexjet training department pilot turncoat. In 2014 sang the DAC company song, in exchange for promises of personal financial reward from management, long after it became clear his fellow pilots were being screwed, J.M. tried to convince them that they did not need a union. He made his claim in-spite of clear evidence to the contrary. Although in the end he was richly rewarded for his treachery, his fellow pilots were not.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

You sir are a liar and a deceiver. I looked up Cabbies numbers in our CBA and, although it seems he rounded the FO numbers off to the nearest thousandth, he posted the accurate numbers, right out of our contract. And the FX numbers he's comparing them too are right out of the memo Deana sent to all of us before she was sacked.

So bottom line, yes it's true, on day one as a F/O at FX, former FO pilot, TW will be making more than your nine year Lear 45 Capts. It's also true that on day one as FOs at FX, the other three guys will be making over $40,000 more then year two Lear 45 F/Os already on the property.

So go ahead insult me and try to trick your fellow FX pilots. Claim my numbers are inaccurate. Attempt to divert their attention. Tell us to "look over there"! But your spell is broken.

From what I hear, from talking to your pilots out on the road, you've lost their respect. They know who you are and they know you've been doing uncles work for him on here. They wonder how much it cost him to buy you. They are wondering what you were promised.

As a traitor to our profession you are not worthy of our pity. The best thing you could do now is admit you were wrong and sign on to help your fellow pilots.

Or, we could add you to this list of famous traitors:

• John Anthony Walker Jr. ? The U.S. Navy officer spied for the Russians from 1968-1985. Walker developed a spy ring involving his son Michael, brother Arthur and Navy officer Jerry Whitworth. He helped the Soviets decipher more than one million encrypted naval messages. He is sometimes described as the most damaging Soviet spy in history. All the members in the spy ring, besides Michael, received life sentences.
• Aldrich Ames ? The CIA operative began spying for the Soviet Union in 1985. He even passed two polygraph examinations. He was arrested in 1994 just before flying to Moscow and convicted of spying for the Soviets. According to news reports, he earned more than $4.6 million from his espionage. His activities led to the death of numerous Russian double agents.
• Benedict Arnold ? The America?s Revolutionary army, who was honored by George Washington himself, defected to the British in 1779. He obtained command of West Point in order to surrender it to the British, but his plot was exposed. He led British forces on raids in Virginia and Connecticut in the war. In 1782, Arnold moved to London. He died in 1801 and was buried at St. Mary?s Church, Battersea in London.
• Judas Iscariot ? According to the New Testament, Judas, one of the 12 disciples, betrayed Jesus with a kiss for ?thirty pieces of silver.? He later hanged himself.
• Marcus Junius Brutus ? The Roman politician turned against his patron, Roman dictator Julius Caesar, and took a leading role in the assassination conspiracy against Caesar in 44 BC. ?Et tu, Brute?? (?You, too, Brutus?), were Caesar?s last words. Two years later, after being defeated by Mark Antony?s army, Brutus committed suicide.
• J.M. - Flexjet training department pilot turncoat. In 2014 sang the DAC company song, in exchange for promises of personal financial reward from management, long after it became clear his fellow pilots were being screwed, J.W. tried to convince them that they did not need a union. He made his claim in-spite of clear evidence to the contrary. Although in the end he was richly rewarded for his treachery, his fellow pilots were not.

Trick my fellow FJ pilots, seriously?

I do not hide who I am on FI from my fellow FJ pilots, in fact I tell them freely since I have nothing to hide.

Traitor, hahahaha, who are you trying to convice? That is a stretch even for you.

 

[luckydog]

You sir are a liar and a deceiver. Blah, blah, blah

Or, we could add you to this list of famous traitors:

more blah, blah, blah...

You are guys are such drama queens. Now a pilot at a small fractional operation is on the same level as a some of history's most infamous traitors. These are people the directly contributed to the deaths of numerous people. This is over the top even for you guys.

Why are you guys so concerned about how much more they make? You don't even work her. You are entitled to your opinion but, no one here cares about it. If the FJ pilots don't care, and they don't seem to, why should you?

Next, if you are so outraged on our behalf, why didn't the IBT stop it?

Move on to the next round of trying to prove TWA is a management stooge, this one is played out.

 

[wingsnthings]

You sir are a liar and a deceiver. I looked up Cabbies numbers in our CBA and, although it seems he rounded the FO numbers off to the nearest thousandth, he posted the accurate numbers, right out of our contract. And the FX numbers he's comparing them too are right out of the memo Deana sent to all of us before she was sacked.

So bottom line, yes it's true, on day one as a F/O at FX, former FO pilot, TW will be making more than your nine year Lear 45 Capts. It's also true that on day one as FOs at FX, the other three guys will be making over $40,000 more then year two Lear 45 F/Os already on the property.

So go ahead insult me and try to trick your fellow FX pilots. Claim my numbers are inaccurate. Attempt to divert their attention. Tell us to "look over there"! But your spell is broken.

From what I hear, from talking to your pilots out on the road, you've lost their respect. They know who you are and they know you've been doing uncles work for him on here. They wonder how much it cost him to buy you. They are wondering what you were promised.

As a traitor to our profession you are not worthy of our pity. The best thing you could do now is admit you were wrong and sign on to help your fellow pilots.

Or, we could add you to this list of famous traitors:

• John Anthony Walker Jr. ? The U.S. Navy officer spied for the Russians from 1968-1985. Walker developed a spy ring involving his son Michael, brother Arthur and Navy officer Jerry Whitworth. He helped the Soviets decipher more than one million encrypted naval messages. He is sometimes described as the most damaging Soviet spy in history. All the members in the spy ring, besides Michael, received life sentences.
• Aldrich Ames ? The CIA operative began spying for the Soviet Union in 1985. He even passed two polygraph examinations. He was arrested in 1994 just before flying to Moscow and convicted of spying for the Soviets. According to news reports, he earned more than $4.6 million from his espionage. His activities led to the death of numerous Russian double agents.
• Benedict Arnold ? The America?s Revolutionary army, who was honored by George Washington himself, defected to the British in 1779. He obtained command of West Point in order to surrender it to the British, but his plot was exposed. He led British forces on raids in Virginia and Connecticut in the war. In 1782, Arnold moved to London. He died in 1801 and was buried at St. Mary?s Church, Battersea in London.
• Judas Iscariot ? According to the New Testament, Judas, one of the 12 disciples, betrayed Jesus with a kiss for ?thirty pieces of silver.? He later hanged himself.
• Marcus Junius Brutus ? The Roman politician turned against his patron, Roman dictator Julius Caesar, and took a leading role in the assassination conspiracy against Caesar in 44 BC. ?Et tu, Brute?? (?You, too, Brutus?), were Caesar?s last words. Two years later, after being defeated by Mark Antony?s army, Brutus committed suicide.
• J.M. - Flexjet training department pilot turncoat. In 2014 sang the DAC company song, in exchange for promises of personal financial reward from management, long after it became clear his fellow pilots were being screwed, J.M. tried to convince them that they did not need a union. He made his claim in-spite of clear evidence to the contrary. Although in the end he was richly rewarded for his treachery, his fellow pilots were not.

This is just pathetic! It is laughable! TWA is highly respected by his peers and no where near a traitor. I suggest you worry about FO and quit trying to make problems at FJ. Things are uncertain at both companies, but all of the growth (except the Phenoms, Thank God!) are coming to FJ. So I don't see the fear that you and the other regular posters from FO are trying to spread. Continue with your fear campaign, it gives me comic relief nightly!

 

[BlueNose]

Trick my fellow FJ pilots, seriously?

I do not hide who I am on FI from my fellow FJ pilots, in fact I tell them freely since I have nothing to hide.

Traitor, hahahaha, who are you trying to convice? That is a stretch even for you.

Dude, I think you've gotten so wrapped up in your fight that you've lost perspective and started to come across like the caricature the union thumpers make you out to be. I'm no friend of this union leadership team, but even I find myself more on their side when you make your arguments now. If you didn't exist, they'd have to invent you.

You really think all is well and will remain so at Flex? I'm not saying the IBT is the right answer for your group. Of course they use fear to sell themselves, that's their shtick. But in your zeal to fight them off, do you really know what or who you are defending? Safety, quality of life and good training aren't starting to erode in the name of 'running lean' and 'efficiency'? There are no signs of this happening? From the history you've heard you don't think it'll get worse? Respected leaders not leaving? Really? This is how KR and Co treat their new favorite children while there is still the threat of a combined, unionized pilot force. What do you think will happen if the lists are combined and the IBT is decertified as KR obviously hopes? What, exactly, are you for once this comes to pass?

I agree that using the traitor analogy was way over the top. These guys just can't help themselves. But are you familiar with the term, Judas goat? Just where are you trying to lead your fellow pilots?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

That was pretty good Praetorian but remember some don't have a sense of humor. Blue and the Judas goat comment-touche'.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Dude, I think you've gotten so wrapped up in your fight that you've lost perspective and started to come across like the caricature the union thumpers make you out to be. I'm no friend of this union leadership team, but even I find myself more on their side when you make your arguments now. If you didn't exist, they'd have to invent you.

You really think all is well and will remain so at Flex? I'm not saying the IBT is the right answer for your group. Of course they use fear to sell themselves, that's their shtick. But in your zeal to fight them off, do you really know what or who you are defending? Safety, quality of life and good training aren't starting to erode in the name of 'running lean' and 'efficiency'? There are no signs of this happening? From the history you've heard you don't think it'll get worse? Respected leaders not leaving? Really? This is how KR and Co treat their new favorite children while there is still the threat of a combined, unionized pilot force. What do you think will happen if the lists are combined and the IBT is decertified as KR obviously hopes? What, exactly, are you for once this comes to pass?

I agree that using the traitor analogy was way over the top. These guys just can't help themselves. But are you familiar with the term, Judas goat? Just where are you trying to lead your fellow pilots?

Was not familiar with that term, so I looked it up.

Firstly, I am not trying to lead the FJ pilots anywhere. I am expressing my opinion. In no way do I feel it is my job to stand up and tell the FJ pilots what they should or shouldn't do. They are all adults and professionals and can figure that out for themselves.

I do feel a personal responsibility to my fellow pilots to make sure they make their decisions based on accurate facts and not biased raw emotion and misinformation so another group can impose their agenda on the FJ pilots.

To say I am leading the FJ pilots to slaughter is wrong on several levels. I am not leading them and you are assuming that we are about to be slaughtered.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

That was pretty good Praetorian but remember some don't have a sense of humor. Blue and the Judas goat comment-touche'.

So, if we as FJ pilots were to bow down and join the ranks of the IBT you would ensure that this inevitable slaughter that you find so amusing would be avoided?

And you would make sure that we were protected from the evil of people, I guess like me?