Flexjet, pilots...

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

TWA:" I get paid a daily rate just like every other FJ pilot. No salary for me, hence not a management job."
FJ pilots aren't salary?

Why would you make this post below without trying to get accurate information first, or were you in such a hurry to post the $$$ to try to show how these 4 pilots are SOOOO screwing the FJ pilots that your didn't care how accurate the numbers were?

Airlinepilotcentral doesn't have up to date info, so I'd like to share some information with the FX pilots. I took a look at the contract pay scales on the four Flight Options pilots (lost souls) who recently slizzard over to fly with you guys. This is what each of them were making when they left FO.

TW, 17 year Citation X Capt. $120,000
SM, 15 year Phemom Capt. $102,000
GY, 15 year Phenom Capt. $102,000
JW, 15 year Beachjet Capt. $102,000

I took this information and compared it to the pay scales contained in the ?Flexjet Hiring? memo both companies sent out to their pilot groups back in August:

It seems that on day one as a F/O at FX, TW will be making more than your nine year Lear 45 Capts., who currently make $119,997. He will also be making just about $58,000 more than year two Lear 45 F/Os already on the property, who make $61,752.

Since SM, GY and JW were all 15 year guys at FO, we can take them as a group. On day one as a F/O at FX, each of them will be making almost as much as your year four Lear 45 Capts., who currently make $103,000 and over $40,000 more then year two Lear 45 F/Os already on the property. I understand there are quite a few year two guys at FX so I used them for our example.

While I'm sure paid company apologist TWA (that's right we now have information that it's actually his job now to get on here and fight the union) will get on here soon at tell us all why this assault on the basic principals of seniority in our profession is OK. I'd like to know what the rest of you have to say about it.

And once again, who is the "source" for this information regarding my job to come on here a fight the union? I would work on getting a better mole.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Airline pilot central is not a reliable sourse of info. That's why I asked a legitimate question. So TWA, it makes you a big man by trying to ridicude others? I'm not the one that claims to know so much. Have you received your briefing from the lawyers for next week yet?

Nope.

It just brings me great joy to realize how uninformed you union thugs really are.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Look in the mirror. The only one trying to be a thug is you. And it's not working on me!

 

[learflyer]

Buncha grumpy cats in here. Thought unions were posta make you all so happy happy??

 

[dime line]

Buncha grumpy cats in here. Thought unions were posta make you all so happy happy??

I be happy, you cant see it in my typing. Also I don't have to wear that new uniform, I be really happy

 

[luckydog]

Go ahead an PM me your name, and I'll make sure you get the boot to a$$ treatment next time we meet

Really???? So if I tell both you to PM me your names and well see whos boot goes up whos ass? thats not consider a Physical threat? Good to know..PM away!!!

You appear to be so literal that you might think that my adding you to my FI ignore list means I'll actually ignore you in person! So, I'll be the FJ you speak to but doesn't seem to acknowledge your presence.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Look in the mirror. The only one trying to be a thug is you. And it's not working on me!

You are the one trying to push your agenda on us, not the other way around.

Rejecting your views does not make me a thug. Pushing you views on people who don't want them (I am speaking of myself) does.

Wait, maybe it makes you thug-like. Can I use that term and then turn around and say "but I didn't say you were a thug?"

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

I be happy, you cant see it in my typing. Also I don't have to wear that new uniform, I be really happy

Time will tell. Bet your uniform will change sooner than you think.

Remember, your contract may dictate that only certain pieces can be changed, but those can be changed without your input.

 

[dime line]

Time will tell. Bet your uniform will change sooner than you think.

Remember, your contract may dictate that only certain pieces can be changed, but those can be changed without your input.

You might be right but...contract says Black Belt and White Dress shirt. But as we (and Flex) know Ricci operates in the "Grey" area, so no one knows where this will go.

9.1 Company Provided Uniform Articles and Acc
a. ....everything not in 9.2...

9.2 Pilot Provided Uniform Articles and Acc
a. White Dress Shirt with Flap pockets (company now pays for)
b. Black Belt (pilot paid for)
c. Black shoes (company now pays for)
d. Black Socks (pilot paid for)

9.3 Change in Uniform
a. The Company shall provide........referred to in subsection 9.1

9.4 Uniform Articles and Acc Replacement
a. The Company Shall provide........reffered to in subsection 9.1

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA you crack me up. I really am not pushing anything, but when I ask a question, you have to LABEL me as a union thug? What's the purpose in that?

 

[The Architect]

What do you think?

Are we getting screwed?

Globals on Flexjet/Jet Solutions certificate and marketed by Flexjet. Majority of pilots assigned to aircraft are Flight Options seniority-listed pilots on PLOA from Flight Options.

Phenom 300's advertised/marketed by Flight Options, and now advertised/marketed by Flexjet, on Flight Options certificate. Flown exclusively by Flight Options seniority-listed pilots.

Flexjet - 0 hires in 2014, except for the Flight Options pilots flying the Globals and 4 Flight Options seniority-listed pilots on PLOA flying the LR from Flight Options.

Flight Options - 22 pilots recalled in just over a month (between September 29 and November 9, 2014). 2 more recalls are currently in process.

KR and team must be eagerly trimming the fat at Flexjet.

 

[jetwash]

There is also big time hiring going on in CGF at the HQ. Lots of new dispatchers, owner servise reps, flight attendents. Etc.....
They had a class of over 25 new office workers last month.

It looks like expansion at Flight Options in the near future.


What is happeing in Dallas at FJ? Are they also hiring?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Globals on Flexjet/Jet Solutions certificate and marketed by Flexjet. Majority of pilots assigned to aircraft are Flight Options seniority-listed pilots on PLOA from Flight Options.

Phenom 300's advertised/marketed by Flight Options, and now advertised/marketed by Flexjet, on Flight Options certificate. Flown exclusively by Flight Options seniority-listed pilots.

Flexjet - 0 hires in 2014, except for the Flight Options pilots flying the Globals and 4 Flight Options seniority-listed pilots on PLOA flying the LR from Flight Options.

Flight Options - 22 pilots recalled in just over a month (between September 29 and November 9, 2014). 2 more recalls are currently in process.

KR and team must be eagerly trimming the fat at Flexjet.

I know it was not an intentional omission, but what about the Challenger 300s advertised/marketed by FO, on the JSLLC certificate flown exclusively by FJ seniority-listed pilots.

I am glad you guys are recalling to replace the pilots that are jumping ship to FJ. Is that 22 number the pilots contacted for recall or pilots accepting recall and starting class?

What will happen in 2 years to those recalled pilots if the FO pilots at FJ elect to come back to FO since you have zero planned growth?

4 more of your pilots start Monday at FJ with MANY more coming in December and January although I am sure you already knew this.

 

[The Architect]

No Challengers at Flight Options Now

I know it was not an intentional omission, but what about the Challenger 300s advertised/marketed by FO, on the JSLLC certificate flown exclusively by FJ seniority-listed pilots.

What about those Challengers? Not happening as you described. Challengers can't be operated as you described. Scope violation. Go check out Flight Options website. Challengers are gone.

I am glad you guys are recalling to replace the pilots that are jumping ship to FJ. Is that 22 number the pilots contacted for recall or pilots accepting recall and starting class?

Nice try. The "jumping ship to FJ" is insignificant. However, 5 brand new Phenoms on the Flight Options certificate, flown by Flight Options seniority-list pilots and advertised/marketed at Flight Options and Flexjet...well, that my friend generates recalls. 22 is the number of pilots actually back on the job. Two more class dates this month.

What will happen in 2 years to those recalled pilots if the FO pilots at FJ elect to come back to FO since you have zero planned growth?

Umm, let's see. Guess you were lied to again. It's not 2 years. That would violate the CBA. It's only one year at Flexjet because the maximum PLOA at Flight Options is 12 months. So, any of those pilots could return to Flight Options in a year. And Flight Options has to take them back...it's in the CBA. Let me cut off any doubt you may kick back...simply ask one of those pilots how long their PLOA is from Flight Options.

4 more of your pilots start Monday at FJ with MANY more coming in December and January although I am sure you already knew this.

Really didn't want to rub in the fact that Flexjet is picking up 4 more, most junior, highly paid First Officers. So, what's the point? Flexjet will have hired (as new-hires) 8 pilots that are Flight Options seniority-listed on a one year PLOA. Flight Options has recalled 22 and MANY more to come.

It's all good. If the Flight Options pilots continue to slowly slide to the Flexjet sister company, and Flight Options continues to recall...well, sounds like the scales continue to tip...toward the Flight Options pilots. Don't be fooled. Those 8 pilots will most likely be 8 votes for the IBT. Especially after being at Flexjet a while. Not a bad plan.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

What about those Challengers? Not happening as you described. Challengers can't be operated as you described. Scope violation. Go check out Flight Options website. Challengers are gone.



Nice try. The "jumping ship to FJ" is insignificant. However, 5 brand new Phenoms on the Flight Options certificate, flown by Flight Options seniority-list pilots and advertised/marketed at Flight Options and Flexjet...well, that my friend generates recalls. 22 is the number of pilots actually back on the job. Two more class dates this month.



Umm, let's see. Guess you were lied to again. It's not 2 years. That would violate the CBA. It's only one year at Flexjet because the maximum PLOA at Flight Options is 12 months. So, any of those pilots could return to Flight Options in a year. And Flight Options has to take them back...it's in the CBA. Let me cut off any doubt you may kick back...simply ask one of those pilots how long their PLOA is from Flight Options.



Really didn't want to rub in the fact that Flexjet is picking up 4 more, most junior, highly paid First Officers. So, what's the point? Flexjet will have hired (as new-hires) 8 pilots that are Flight Options seniority-listed on a one year PLOA. Flight Options has recalled 22 and MANY more to come.

It's all good. If the Flight Options pilots continue to slowly slide to the Flexjet sister company, and Flight Options continues to recall...well, sounds like the scales continue to tip...toward the Flight Options pilots. Don't be fooled. Those 8 pilots will most likely be 8 votes for the IBT. Especially after being at Flexjet a while. Not a bad plan.

Well, the first 4 that I talked to are very glad to be out from under the IBT. We will see about the rest.

Keep trying to spin pilots jumping ship as a plus for the IBT. You know better.