Final Agreement reached

[slaquer5]

Let's use DAL/NWA as an example. It means that once the Integrated Seniority List was issued, that any items DALPA negotiates on or for our behalf must stand up to scrutiny if later challenged to not fairly represent NWA pilots' best interests.

If there's any question, an individual or a group can file a DFR suit in Federal Court (not the grievance process). If DALPA's actions are found to be hostile, retaliatory, or discriminatory towards NWA pilots alone, it could cost DALPA hundreds of millions.

Unions go well out of their way to avoid even the appearance of a DFR violation. I believe one of your female pilots ended up with a sizable out-of-court settlement for something similar fairly recently...?

Not sure what female your talking about . Maybe your reference is a female at AT. You seem to get your facts wrong a lot I have noticed .

 

[boomlrd]

Bet you'd fly struck work, too.

Hey Ty, I work for Spirit, we struck, no one crossed the line unlike your high seniority scabs! So rethink that!

 

[texman]

Tex,

With all due respect, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Thats understandable. We need to get this done to grow. But no SWA person should be harmed more than needed to be.

 

[madjack]

Rejecting a negotiated deal (one in which the CEO was involved, you know the bottom line person), a deal which offers EVERY AAI pilot a significant raise, a more stable career at a well established carrier, well that is a ballsy move and may just be the posturing of a few internet olympians...heck it may not pass on the SWA side...total POS that disregards DOH and has many AAI pilots making more than the SWA pilots...

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey Ty, I work for Spirit, we struck, no one crossed the line

I know that . . . And no one flew your struck work.

That's why your post was even more egregious.

 

[Empennage]

Let's use DAL/NWA as an example. It means that once the Integrated Seniority List was issued, that any items DALPA negotiates on or for our behalf must stand up to scrutiny if later challenged to not fairly represent NWA pilots' best interests.

If there's any question, an individual or a group can file a DFR suit in Federal Court (not the grievance process). If DALPA's actions are found to be hostile, retaliatory, or discriminatory towards NWA pilots alone, it could cost DALPA hundreds of millions.

Unions go well out of their way to avoid even the appearance of a DFR violation. I believe one of your female pilots ended up with a sizable out-of-court settlement for something similar fairly recently...?

Single carrier status ......

 

[Daddy]

I believe one of your female pilots ended up with a sizable out-of-court settlement for something similar fairly recently...?

I'm pretty sure her suit got tossed

 

[Flying the Line]

SWAPA doesn't control the 717 rates. SWA does, and they want a negotiated settlement. Anything less and I don't think the company will want to negotiate higher rates.

 

[On Your Six]

Thats understandable. We need to get this done to grow. But no SWA person should be harmed more than needed to be.

Why not? Your CEO decided to do this deal. An arbitrator could decide who could go where on the list, and then you can decide who got "harmed.". The AT guys will have to decide that, so it's out if your hands.



OYS

 

[On Your Six]

This is just ME! Well I feel that your all about ME comments are exactly what we don't want at SWA. Everyone has to take a hit in this deal. " I can't take a 3.91 year seniority loss". Cry me a river!

I am upset with how some of the AT guy's are now in the position of what more can we get! All the SWA guy's blew a f-ing top when the on the CUSP AT fo's got a longevity pay bump. Now we have AT captians that have said "I just want to keep my seat", but can't take a seniority hit.

I am sorry but being a SWA JR FO and very grateful to work here, all I see is "ME" on the AT side. I just don't get it! Can't you people look down the road and see the future. I made sacrifice to be part of SWA, so do YOU! It's called success sharing. If you don't like the QOL and $ you will get at SWA, Quit!

Lear 70 is the only level headed person on this board and I wouldn't mind
pulling his gear, but not for some punk b eatch entitled AT Capt!


GK AND SWA ARE BEING MORE THAN GENEROUS!

Cry me a river, you are getting desperate. You did make sacrifices to go to SWA----- 10,000 of them!! You also have had to fly through EL Paso too, which day after day could be pure torture. Maybe the AT guys should just give in, and give up everything. At least Oldmanpilot is ready and willing. Now that guy is OLD, and easily persuaded.



OYS

 

[seerickyfly]

This debate will change because SWA has violated the SWAPA CBA by negotiating payrates with future SWAPA pilots which is in violation with section 1 of our CBA. We could be back at day one of negotiations.....

 

[Lear70]

Not sure what female your talking about . Maybe your reference is a female at AT.

Nope. It was Southwest.

I'm pretty sure her suit got tossed

Could be... last I heard the story it was still in-progress, but that was a year or so ago. The point isn't that her position has anything to do with this SLI, but that, in general, DFR suits are very real.

You seem to get your facts wrong a lot I have noticed .

Opinions vary.

 

[Lear70]

SWAPA doesn't control the 717 rates. SWA does, and they want a negotiated settlement. Anything less and I don't think the company will want to negotiate higher rates.

Possibly, but I don't think the company will want 717 pilots bailing off the airplane as soon as they can (that gets really pricey), and trying to implement seat locks that are any different than Southwest pilots on incoming pilots who have never had a training event at Southwest might be hard to pull off. Could be wrong, just my opinion.

This debate will change because SWA has violated the SWAPA CBA by negotiating payrates with future SWAPA pilots which is in violation with section 1 of our CBA. We could be back at day one of negotiations.....

Interesting... If that happened, the Process Agreement timeline would probably just put us straight into arbitration.

 

[slaquer5]

Nope. It was Southwest.


Could be... last I heard the story it was still in-progress, but that was a year or so ago. The point isn't that her position has anything to do with this SLI, but that, in general, DFR suits are very real.


Opinions vary.

There are lots of law suits, most are frivolous. I also believe SWAPA has something now that states, if a member files suit against them , SWAPA can and will go after them for SWAPA expenses if plaintiff does not win .

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

There are lots of law suits, most are frivolous. I also believe SWAPA has something now that states, if a member files suit against them , SWAPA can and will go after them for SWAPA expenses if plaintiff does not win .

Why are there "lots" of lawsuits? In whose opinion are they frivolous?

That would suck to have to work sooo hard, make allll kinds of sacrifices, buy a type, and possibly go through multiple interviews (all TIC), just to have to sue your own union.