F9/RAH meeting

[StopNTSing]

Just curious why this has thread has gone three more pages and know one can answer my simple questions

Because it got hijacked by everyone's least-favorite ambassador from ATL's quaint little alternative airline.

 

[General Lee]

Because it got hijacked by everyone's least-favorite ambassador from ATL's quaint little alternative airline.

We are now the World's largest airline. You guys, OTOH, win the award for largest group of corndogs on the planet, and the award for the largest "player" in LBB and MAF aviation by far----congrats on that!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

We are now the World's largest airline.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I can tell that's important to you so that's FANTASTIC!

Gup

 

[General Lee]

I can tell that's important to you so that's FANTASTIC!

Gup

Wow, you read my mind. You know what that is? It is FFFFFFANTASTIC! A-cup, you really are a cool dude half of the time!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

Bye Bye--General Lee = Turd. :laugh:

 

[canyonblue]

Posts: 13,228 = Turd :laugh:

 

[General Lee]

Posts: 13,228 = Turd :laugh:

1,481 posts = little turtle in the toilet? That is your new name---little turtle. How cute!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[N1atEcon]

Go$hDamnit!!! Because of this bantering this thing is going to hit six pages before someone answers my simple questions. Stop the madness!

 

[SWA/FO]

Last time I was in LBB, I saw Jack Lalanne there in the hotel. No $hit. I wish, he would kick GL a$$ in, that would be a great thing to watch.

one more overshoot at MDW or BUR

Why don't you land on another taxiway there chief! The lights are BLUE for taxiways, didn't they teach you this in the navy? Also, we all know the NWA Pilots lost over Minnesota and Wisconsin were flying a "delta colors" airplane. What is your pilots gonna do this week to top that? You guys did that in one week!

I appreciate all the questions and comments I am getting from my Friends and Customers about how screwed up delta is. I just laugh and think about the general.

I also want to thank your work group for the new law coming from the government the S.2745 the "Distracted Flying Act".

You can thank the rest of us for the "jumpeat" invention. Nice uniforms, by the way....where is the boat?

almost forgot this guy:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/21598678/detail.html
:smash:

 

[St. Nic]

My ultimate goal was integration with huge weight for SWA. Something along the lines of their #1 being our #1 FO and ratioing from there leaving the already furloughed and the surplus as, well, furloughed.

Secondary was staple.

Thirly was DOH.

In no way did I, would I, or will I agree to relative seniority with a bankrupt carrier. Period.

Gup

DOH IS THE ONLY WAY TO INTEGRATE!!!
Look what Nicolau gave to USAirways pilots! Nothing but turmoil. Had DOH been used the seniority integration would have been over with Cactus. Bankruptcy has NOTHING to do with it either!

 

[MCDU]

No way. DOH is not the way to go. Midwest pilots and Frontier pilots are lucky to have jobs. Republic is expanding and upgrades have gone to 2 to 3 years. Just like putting AWA probation pilots ahead of former USAIR Capt. that have worked for 17 years was fair. AWA was upgrading and USAIR was a failed carrier just like Frontier and Midwest. How long you have been flying means nothing. That is why we are a Union. Pilots do things different then all other work groups because we are gready and like to jump ahead of others.

M

 

[St. Nic]

Who cares if a pilot is furloughed- they deserve to move ahead of active pilots with a newer DOH! Seniority integration wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for a senile old man! I don't care if he flew B17 over Germany- the old man needs to retire!

 

[MCDU]

Who cares if a pilot is furloughed- they deserve to move ahead of active pilots with a newer DOH! Seniority integration wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for a senile old man! I don't care if he flew B17 over Germany- the old man needs to retire!

When the list got handed out in MAY 2007 those pilots were not on furlough anymore. End of 2007 USAIR did not have any furloughs left. They actually had to hire due to massive retirements. Some of those furloughed pilots in 2005 are now 30% up the East SL. No wonder the bottom Westies want the SLI.

Stapling active pilots with 17 years behind 1.5 year pilot seems fair to me. The snapshot they took in 2005 was fair, because it did take into account that all furloughed pilots would be back due to the vacancies the East created. Those vacancies the East had between 2005 and 2007 belong to the West pilots and not the furloughed East pilots.
By the way, Nicolau was not capable to fly, he washed out and became a navigator instead.
M

 

[St. Nic]

You seem well informed about the Nicolau travesty! Thanks for seeing it my way. Greedy pilots make me sick! It's a shame Southwest pilots as ted to screw the F9 pilots so bad. We need more pilots like you MCDU

 

[General Lee]

Last time I was in LBB, I saw Jack Lalanne there in the hotel. No $hit. I wish, he would kick GL a$$ in, that would be a great thing to watch.



Why don't you land on another taxiway there chief! The lights are BLUE for taxiways, didn't they teach you this in the navy? Also, we all know the NWA Pilots lost over Minnesota and Wisconsin were flying a "delta colors" airplane. What is your pilots gonna do this week to top that? You guys did that in one week!

I appreciate all the questions and comments I am getting from my Friends and Customers about how screwed up delta is. I just laugh and think about the general.

I also want to thank your work group for the new law coming from the government the S.2745 the "Distracted Flying Act".

You can thank the rest of us for the "jumpeat" invention. Nice uniforms, by the way....where is the boat?

almost forgot this guy:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/21598678/detail.html
:smash:

Thanks for pointing out two incidents we had that resulted in no injuries or damage to aircraft. (unlike your two accidents I stated) Everytime I see an orange 737 taxiing by at V1, I think about cocky guys like yourself. Luckily though, most of my trips are INTL trips, so there is very little chance IF EVER that I will see a SWA plane outside the lower 48, let alone in Europe or South America. That seriously is FANTASTIC. Even when I get back to ATL, it is still SWA-free (thanks again to your F9 screw-up).

And, you gotta love your Fonzi jackets, and your cool commercials on TV--"It's ON......???" Before you follow the "Distracted flying Act", make sure you observe your own taxi speed limitations in your SWA or Boeing Manuals. (take turns at less than 10 MPH please)

Now, go off and fly another 4 or 5 legs today--you gotta earn that high pay you have--the hard way. Just please SLOW DOWN on final app (especially in BAD WX) and during taxi. It is safer for everyone. Thank you Fonz. AAAYYYYY!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RedDogC130]

You seem well informed about the Nicolau travesty! Thanks for seeing it my way. Greedy pilots make me sick! It's a shame Southwest pilots as ted to screw the F9 pilots so bad. We need more pilots like you MCDU

I hate weekends....all the kids are off from school. go get you 1500 hours and then you may be able to steal a job away from a big carrier. STAPLE or nothing......

 

[St. Nic]

I've been in this industry for more than 20 years and have watched it spiral out of control. Part of this is from the lowering of the bar by airlines like AWA. What George Nicolau did and what people like you at SWA tried to do to the F9 guys is the reason why this job is going down the tubes. I know- your "it's all about me" attitude worked for you and your kind at Southwest but one day you will need the help of your fellow pilots. What goes around comes around.

 

[chase]

We did lose some of those LBB and MAF layovers that we used to have on the 732, but in the meantime we added over 100 INTL destinations (compared to back in the late 80s when we went to LBB etc), and plenty of other domestic cities. And, to top it off, we are currently getting rid of some of that out-sourcing--in the form of 50 seat RJs going away. If you and your company still want to go to LBB and MAF, then good for you. A lot of those resources that went to those cities for us (732s) are gone now, and we are using other assets in other places to drum up potential profits. Regardless, you are still flying there, and I don't envy you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

A True Story,

Over 5 yrs ago I got a FI private message saying what a great airline SWA was...he told me to say hi to a couple of the 3 digit numbers in DAL that I flew with. He provided me enough background info on himself that I then went to the DAL 3 digits and asked if they knew of someone who might match the profile....an original SWA pilot, left after 2.5 yrs at SWA for Delta, had a wife who was in charge of SWA FA training from the beginning.....they immediately knew who it was and when I wrote to the "anonymous" emailer I confirmed it was him.

He retired from DAL with right at 30 yrs of seniority, flew international, flew nearly all types of the aircraft and was there for the heyday and 2001 aftermath.

Here is his quote General:

"You fly for a great airline (SWA) and I regret many times over having left it when I did...I went chasing big iron and a more established name...too short sighted. SWA was and appears to be a unique culture and compared to DAL's, my worse day at SWA was better than my best day at DAL. There aren't many decisions I regret in my life but that is one, leaving SWA for DAL in 1976."

I don't know why you bash SWA or others so much. The folks in LBB and MAF are customers also, just like the ones in Rome or Madrid. Who knows how long we will serve them but if we ever pull out, we can never thank them enough for sticking by us for so many years. It is only a business decision to you and others....to me, like the lady who walked on the airplane with a hot cherry pie and turned right into the cockpit and said to me, "this is for the crew to say thanks for serving us for all these years." How many of your London passengers have done that for you lately.

Honestly answer this question General...when was the last time and how many times a month do you get comments from passengers or persons who fly on Delta that say, "Delta is my favorite airline...thanks so much for your airline." I can humbly say that nearly on nearly every 2, 3 or 4 day trip when talking to passengers at the airport, in the hotel elevator or eating out, if the topic of who I work for comes up, I get that line...not because of me in particularly but because of the thousands of others who do care about each passengers. We have our jerks but we try to keep them off of FI!

I call this last one the "t-shirt" check...how many t-shirts or clothing items do you have in your closet that has your airlines name and logo on it? I contend you can look in the closet of any airline employee and besides their uniform, you can judge the empathy and support that airline has of its employees by how many of those items each employee possess. Not scientific but I think it tells a story. How many do you own?

Who knows what the future holds but your comments merely confirm what Bill had to say about his time at DAL...I have many friends who are there who are great folks but they all say "it is mostly a job".

My apologies if you think this is a personal attack but simply a suggestion to reflect upon the professionals you do fly with at DAL and suggest attempts in the future to represent them in a manner through your posts that brings a more positive light upon them and refrain from criticizing others.

Each to their own...you've made your choice and I hope you don't wish at the end of your career that you should've been somewhere else....of course Bill had the choice, you may not have. Have a great day. Cheers,

 

[RedDogC130]

I've been in this industry for more than 20 years and have watched it spiral out of control. Part of this is from the lowering of the bar by airlines like AWA. What George Nicolau did and what people like you at SWA tried to do to the F9 guys is the reason why this job is going down the tubes. I know- your "it's all about me" attitude worked for you and your kind at Southwest but one day you will need the help of your fellow pilots. What goes around comes around.

How did SWA lower the bar?....the company started out with low cash and a handful of aircraft..thus having to pay lower wages to get started...offered low fares...great customer service...and one of the highest on-time rates in the industry....now the wages are the highest....customer service ranked the highest...and ontime ranked 2nd behind an airline that flies to islands as thier main base. How did we lower the bar....the majors offered to let RJs fly for raises....got wages that the company could not handle due to their lack of performace ($$) and SWA lowered the bar....you have not learned much in your 20 years.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Hey General, why are you so infatuated with our little Texas airline????