F9/RAH meeting

[N1atEcon]

Don't forget that Frontier has been profitable for nearly 9 months straight, and that was accomplished by using the Airbus flown by F9 pilots.

1. At what pay rates were the F9 pilots at during this 9 months, was that after the concessions?
2. Were you getting a 401k match?
3. What has the price of fuel been the last 9 months? I believe it was in the mid thirtys for a while.

 

[FlyWolf]

Don't know, maybe because I have been burned way too many times in the past, but I would have taken the stable and a seniority number at SWA, but what do I know..

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Again, the merits of the SWA offer, or the wisdom of Stemmler and his buddy for turning it down, was not the topic of my intent.

Whether it was good for the F9 guys or not is moot at this point. It is obvious that it would have been a better deal for the industry as a whole from a pilot stand point, in that it would have prevented further spread of RJ flying, and the guys who are OK with flying them an obscenely inadequate pay rates.

We should all hope now that should F9 be able to continue to profit now that it is out of bankruptcy, that it will be run separately. That will be the only hope of keeping some semblance of livable pay.

 

[General Lee]

I think the F9 pilots won in the end, because ANYTHING is better than having LBB or MAF layovers.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GOULET!]

The integration between Republic/Midwest/Frontier will be about as smooth as America West/US Air.

 

[General Lee]

The integration between Republic/Midwest/Frontier will be about as smooth as America West/US Air.

Don't forget about the Lynx guys. They have more airplanes flying now than the Midwest guys. That may be important when an arbitrator looks at this.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Whine Lover]

My intent was not to start the "should'a would'a could'a" on SWA/F9. I'm just trying to get an accurate as possible picture of what Bryan Bedford is intent on doing. My concern does not lie with the well being of the F9 guys, but with that of the rest of us in the industry. If this seeming Frank Lorenzo clone is able to continue to piece together failing airline after failing airline, and replace the well paid pilots with his, who for some reason are more than willing to work for obscenely pitiful rates, we are all in trouble.

I think you just asked, and answered, your own question in the above.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

I think the F9 pilots won in the end, because ANYTHING is better than having LBB or MAF layovers.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Anything?

Even out-sourcing---> stagnation---> job loss? That's the price you paid to avoid that LBB overnite.

I'm sure SWA would love to outsourse that flying. Contractually they cant.

 

[RedDogC130]

Why Frontier did not take up the deal by SWAPA:

1. There was not enough time to work out a fair agreement.

2. Frontier pilots stood a much better chance at maintaining their known QOL with Republic, including maintaining pay, employment, and base (for most pilots)

3. Given more time, F9 pilots may have felt better about and understand the offers made by SWAPA.

The whole thing was for Gary Kelly to get a look into Frontier's books to see how they do things in DEN....plain and simple....he knew the deal was dead in the water and "stood by" the pilots to look good and make a good gesture.

 

[General Lee]

Anything?

Even out-sourcing---> stagnation---> job loss? That's the price you paid to avoid that LBB overnite.

I'm sure SWA would love to outsourse that flying. Contractually they cant.

We did lose some of those LBB and MAF layovers that we used to have on the 732, but in the meantime we added over 100 INTL destinations (compared to back in the late 80s when we went to LBB etc), and plenty of other domestic cities. And, to top it off, we are currently getting rid of some of that out-sourcing--in the form of 50 seat RJs going away. If you and your company still want to go to LBB and MAF, then good for you. A lot of those resources that went to those cities for us (732s) are gone now, and we are using other assets in other places to drum up potential profits. Regardless, you are still flying there, and I don't envy you.


Bye Bye--General Lee