Email from Airtran MEC: Secret MOU between SWA and SWAPA

[SWA/FO]

Ok... then if you did have some would they be doing "well"? Also, when you get over here (this side) there is a place on swalife where you can list them and advertise for employees to rent them (FYI).

 

[madjack]

SWA has a plan and it will stick to it..,we have seen what upsetting the plan can cost in this merger (SL9 vs SL10)...victory in negotiations with SWA is defined as not getting in the way of the plan while finding ways to share the potential success.

 

[Kharma Police]

SWA has a plan and it will stick to it..,we have seen what upsetting the plan can cost in this merger (SL9 vs SL10)...victory in negotiations with SWA is defined as not getting in the way of the plan while finding ways to share the potential success.

Wow, not sure if that was Vince Lombardi or Yogi Berra?

 

[tankerhead]

Chris Walken.

 

[funnyman12]

Not that there is much of a chance of this happening....what if the DRC claim gets to arbitration and somehow the SLI agreement gets thrown out? What would GK or SWAPA do? It would be required to gotoarbitration in this unlikely scenario.

 

[redflyer65]

The list can't be changed even if the DRC moves forward. It's written into the agreement.

So it really can't be 'thrown out'. It stands by itself.

 

[Phlintstone]

The DRC CANNOT overturn the SLI, what it could do is pay protect all the folks awarded 717CA and might award displacement rights. It could also transfer the 717CA seats to 737CA seats but that conflicts with other statements elsewhere in agreement. That could trigger a DRC from SWAPA. It is going to be more muddy before it becomes more clear.

Phred

 

[madjack]

So an arbitrator could award SWA 737 seats/pay to AAI 717 CPs out of SLI seniority order?

Sounds like a Redo of SL10...the argument for/against this possibility will be whether SWA had the right to change its plans for the 717 post SL10.

SWAPA could argue that AAI is bringing fewer seats to the table and the SLI should reflect that fact....

Better to let it go...

 

[fletch717]

So an arbitrator could award SWA 737 seats/pay to AAI 717 CPs out of SLI seniority order?

Sounds like a Redo of SL10...the argument for/against this possibility will be whether SWA had the right to change its plans for the 717 post SL10.

SWAPA could argue that AAI is bringing fewer seats to the table and the SLI should reflect that fact....

Better to let it go...

That was not the case when SLI 10 was voted on, one could argue that SLI 10 should be renegotiated based on the sale of the 717 when SWA was telling us before the vote closed that the 717 were staying. I'll gladly take my chances with a neutral arbitrator and accept any decision.

 

[Phlintstone]

So an arbitrator could award SWA 737 seats/pay to AAI 717 CPs out of SLI seniority order?

Why not. Hardly anything is being done in seniority order anyway. It would not protect current 717CAs, only those awarded 717CA in the transition bid. That bid was done in (OAT) seniority order. It could be argued that they had a reasonable expectation to be a CA on 1/1/2015 and therefore should be compensated now that the company decided to divest itself of the 717.

I really do not know what an arbitrator would pull out of his butt. It could be nothing. I do think there will be an "award" of some type but there is almost no telling what it could be. The only thing I know the arbitrator cannot do is scrap the combined seniority order.

The rumor on this side is that SWAPA is really concerned about this DRC. I think the exact quote is "really scared that we will win it" without defining what a "win" will look like. I think it is comical the ALPO chest thumping lately and the crew room antics by maxblast and her concubines. I am ready for all this crap to over like yesterday...

Phred

 

[redflyer65]

The whole thing has hardly been mentioned on this side, so I'm not sure how worried SWAPA is. If they are, it isn't showing.

I agree with it being over. Let's move on.

 

[madjack]

SWA says it will stick to the transition timeline...if they can't or don't and 717s remain in service post 1/15 SWAPA will grieve it...

 

[Kharma Police]

SWA says it will stick to the transition timeline...if they can't or don't and 717s remain in service post 1/15 SWAPA will grieve it...

Okay, definitely Yogi Berra this time.

 

[madjack]

Depends on your perspective...the point is the DRC is not as important to SWAPA as the company's intent/ability to meet the 1/15 deadline...

 

[SWA/FO]

Depends on your perspective...the point is the DRC is not as important to SWAPA as the company's intent/ability to meet the 1/15 deadline...

Company has weekend ground school "Knights" remaining AT Pilots into SWA Pilots and tells SWAPA - "Whew! We met the deadline! All Pilots are now SWA/SWAPA Pilots."

 

[HowardBorden]

That was not the case when SLI 10 was voted on, one could argue that SLI 10 should be renegotiated based on the sale of the 717 when SWA was telling us before the vote closed that the 717 were staying. I'll gladly take my chances with a neutral arbitrator and accept any decision.

Absolutely wrong. There are multiple mentions of 717 fleet reductions in SL10. If you chose to ignore those provisions, you did so at your own peril. From SL10:

"After December 31, 2014, AirTran pilots whose seat positions are eliminated by the reduction of the reductions of the B717 fleet will bid system seniority for their new assignment."

"Q. In the event that B717's are replaced with different aircraft, will B717 captains keep their captain seats?

A. AirTran pilots whose seat position is eliminated by reduction of the B717 fleet will bid system seniority for their new assignment. (27.F.2.)"

The 717's are being replaced in the SWA fleet, they are being replaced with 737's. Some are coming from the transition of former AT 73's and some are being replaced with SWA 737's that were previously scheduled for retirement.

 

[humveedriver]

Why would you even post that? It talks about the 717 going away after 31 DEC 2014, not before. Brother we all knew the plane was going away. The 717 lease schedule is tattooed to our forearms. The plane is leaving ahead of schedule. That's what this is all about. It screws us and your FO's. Notice the Q&A's doesn't say "after 31DEC2014 displaced 717 pilots can bid what their system seniority can hold, this will exclude 737 Captain seats because these have been secured through a MOU you know nothing about". This thing will run its course and that will be that.

 

[madjack]

I hope we grow

 

[HowardBorden]

Why would you even post that? It talks about the 717 going away after 31 DEC 2014, not before. Brother we all knew the plane was going away. The 717 lease schedule is tattooed to our forearms. The plane is leaving ahead of schedule. That's what this is all about. It screws us and your FO's. This thing will run its course and that will be that.

The Q and A section mentions nothing about dates, it only mentions what will happen if the 717 is replaced with "different" aircraft. It was a direct response to fletch717, that was directly quoted by me. He states that: "That was not the case when SLI 10 was voted on, one could argue that SLI 10 should be renegotiated based on the sale of the 717 when SWA was telling us before the vote closed that the 717 were staying." That is the reason for my quotes from the document, I don't believe his assertion to be correct.

"Q. In the event that B717's are replaced with different aircraft, will B717 captains keep their captain seats?

A. AirTran pilots whose seat position is eliminated by reduction of the B717 fleet will bid system seniority for their new assignment. (27.F.2.)"

 

[madjack]

Where in the agreement does it state SWA has to keep the 717 on the property until after 31DEC14?...nobody really benefits by the 717 going away early...can SWAPA sue SWA for the overstaffing and reduced line totals as a result of the early departure of the 717?


Your airline was bought and changed ...but no jobs are being lost and given the differences in career expectations.no arbitrator will agree that AAI pilots are being harmed, after all your in the airline biz. Turning down SL9 won't help your case either.