Email from Airtran MEC: Secret MOU between SWA and SWAPA

[humveedriver]

I edited my response while you were typing. Sorry bout that. There's really nothing any of us can do at this point. Unions are going to do their union stuff, and we keeping flying the planes. I understand what you are saying about the date. Is it too hard to see from our standpoint? We had leases that were due to expire starting 2017. The transition was supposed to end 2015. The Q&A's pick up reductions and bidding after the transition was scheduled to be over. Didn't make me think they would accelerate their departure. That's all.

 

[HowardBorden]

I edited my response while you were typing. Sorry bout that. There's really nothing any of us can do at this point. Unions are going to do their union stuff, and we keeping flying the planes.

No worries, I actually agree with you assessment. Sometimes I see what I consider to be false info being put out there that can be directly refuted by the documents that were signed so I quote those documents. In the end you are right we just keep flying the planes and let the rest work itself out.

 

[humveedriver]

No worries, I actually agree with you assessment. Sometimes I see what I consider to be false info being put out there that can be directly refuted by the documents that were signed so I quote those documents. In the end you are right we just keep flying the planes and let the rest work itself out.

I did it again. Edited after you quoted me. I guess we saw what we wanted to see. But it made sense at the same time, to phase out the 717 after the transition.

 

[rjfo]

You. Maybe 5 years now. You went to SWA from Pinnacle. What gives you some special right to question any AirTran pilot's skills, abilities or marketability?



When Delta was hiring, I had already been a line-holding Captain for several years. I was making more than any Delta pilot with similar longevity . . . and I was happy. What business is it of yours, anyway?

What a putz. :laugh:

The guy that went from pinnacle and got hired by swa. And your math stinks, 06 hire...
My business is I was answering your boy, or girl Brit and you. Thx Richard put roll eye cute thing here.
Am I not allowed to comment on your private banter, sorry I'll go back to reading how AT is getting screwed. Once all the717s are gone and there r hundreds sitting around waiting for training getting paid. It'll be so tough collecting the pay and benefits, my heart bleeds for you.
What a putz. Roll eye thing. Many apologies from this lowly former pinnacle pilot who obviously had no skills.

 

[Ty Webb]

When you say something like this:

Doubt it, you were at Air Tran for a reason. If you had other options you would've exercised them already.

and this:

When delta was hiring you and Brit stayed at AT cuz it rocked so much.

You should expect someone to knock your dork in the dirt.

 

[madjack]

You stayed at AAI in ATL and were bought, if you had gone to DAL you would not have been bought by SWA...but you are not starting out at the bottom at your new employer...matter of fact you will be a SWA CP after 1/15...congrats it all seemed to work out for you...

 

[Ty Webb]

Dude, don't bother.

This message is hidden because madjack is on your ignore list.

 

[redflyer65]

You stayed at AAI in ATL and were bought, if you had gone to DAL you would not have been bought by SWA...but you are not starting out at the bottom at your new employer...matter of fact you will be a SWA CP after 1/15...congrats it all seemed to work out for you...

That's what I was thinking. After he made CA at AAI did he feel he 'had it made'? So no reason to start over at another carrier (like Delta), or be concerned about being bought?

 

[waveflyer]

I've always said the same thing-

AT may have been many pilots end goal-
Quick seniority, for many- a quick upgrade- upside if it keeps on- Southeast bases-

I don't begrudge any of that or disrespect anyone's credentials-

What I have said is that AT wasnt southwest yet- just like if UAL had bought SWA in 1990, SWA wasn't up to their end yet-
You have to have perspective in this business-
On the SWA side a bit of humility realizing SWA hadn't always been the 800lb gorilla and remember what it was like when UAL pilots treated SWA pilots like dirt-
And for AT same thing- a but of humility- your careers were not set in stone at any time or at any seniority level there-
You made the choice to stay at AT and got bought- that can happen with a LOT worse consequences-
Think long term and think about your friends who haven't had it so lucky and get your minds right-

Mergers & acquisitions have had way worse consequences than either side is experiencing-

So why are y'all having the same conversations over and over and over and over for years on end??

So pointless- please tell me you can be more interesting than that-

As far as I'm concerned it's all irrelevant opinions about water under a bridge that is a long way upstream from where we are now

The question now is what are YOU doing to make sure this works out as well as it can for yourself and the rest of our ENTIRE pilot group and company?

What are you pro-actively doing?

Are you responsible for you, or are you a victim of circumstance?

 

[ATLplt]

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[Britpilot]

When you say something like this:
and this:
You should expect someone to knock your dork in the dirt.

Right on.
This jackass believes he is something special when the opposite is the reality.

 

[Quiet Flight]

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[madjack]

Water under bridge? You did see CMs letter addressing their most recent lawsuit?

 

[ron burgundy]

AAI wanted relative seniority we wanted staple...the list is neither but does grant SWA seniority to pilots from the smaller less desirable airline...at the expense of the RSW pilots ...now the ingrates are sueing their new company for more...

$3,200,000,000.....alot of money for something... not that desirable.

I guess GK had the desire though, to buy some pi$$ ant little airline so that airline could help SWA attain record profits.

 

[madjack]

Less desirable because we had numerous AAI pilots with apps at SWA...oh I guess you forgot about that...several AAI pilots were in the hiring pool when the announcement was made, they are now hundreds of numbers ahead of their former/fellow poolies...worked out well for them...

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

I wonder what the previous greatest number of pages or posting is for airing your dirty laundry.
Nobody at SWA is holding a gun to force anyone to stay, man up and if you don't like it move on to another airline, there's lots of space at the bottom for new hires

 

[waveflyer]

Water under bridge? You did see CMs letter addressing their most recent lawsuit?

Their union's lawsuit

Is it a surprise that the lawyers are doing this?

TWA is a convenient scapegoat-

 

[Ty Webb]

Nobody at [insert carrier] is holding a gun to force anyone to stay, man up and if you don't like it move on to another airline, there's lots of space at the bottom for new hires

I always cringe when I hear some fool parrot these words.

Probably one of the most self-defeating things ever uttered for the Pilot profession.

 

[jonjuan]

Less desirable because we had numerous AAI pilots with apps at SWA...oh I guess you forgot about that...several AAI pilots were in the hiring pool when the announcement was made, they are now hundreds of numbers ahead of their former/fellow poolies...worked out well for them...

So, aai pilots who were swa poolies and not on SWA property when the merger was announced are now senior to where they were before? Crazy.

 

[Britpilot]

I always cringe when I hear some fool parrot these words.

Probably one of the most self-defeating things ever uttered for the Pilot profession.

Yup............