Delta acquisition of NWA almost finalized!

[Fly4hire]

Agree. I will be a line holder after the AE. I was a line holder in March and am just a few numbers below him.

Playing Devil's advocate - do you think you should have a higher seniority number than a a NWA pilot hired 7 yrs ahead of you because your seniority holds a WB and his does not? :bomb:

 

[recallsomeday]

No offense taken, however, If "joe pilot" can hold a widebody at DAL, and at NWA a pilot can not hold a widebody, explain to me how you think it makes sense for this pilot who has no expectations to fly a widebody NOW, should be senior to a bunch of other pilots flying widebody, by default the NWA would get a windfall, if the day after the SLI he can hold widebody pay, and the day before he did not. If I am missing something, please let me know.

All I am advocating is the day after the SLI we all should be able to hold the same equipment and shedule just like we did the day before. Is that not fair?

And yes, I have contacted my union reps, and it makes perfect sense to them.

I have no problem with the idea of holding the same equipment the day after SLI (No bump, no flush).

However, I find the bigger problem being who hits the street first when the s##t flows downhill.

Should a 14mo DAL widebody FO be senior to an 8 yr NWA narrowbody FO when it comes to backwards movment?

 

[FBN0223]

I have no problem with the idea of holding the same equipment the day after SLI (No bump, no flush).

However, I find the bigger problem being who hits the street first when the s##t flows downhill.

Should a 14mo DAL widebody FO be senior to an 8 yr NWA narrowbody FO when it comes to backwards movment?

No, a 7 year 11 month Delta FO should not be be senior to an 8 year NWA FO either.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

JPWA gives you longevity back for years on the street. We will see how this plays out.
I think that the boys at the bottom of DAL's list will get what they deserve, as will everyone else.
It will be fair to the unions or the arbitrators. What I think does not matter since it cannot change the outcome.
FWIW. I am a line holder after 18 months on at least one or two aircraft in ATL and NYC, and Lax. I have not looked at CVG and SLC.

What you are getting at is DOH and I will not go down that road. I firmly believe that what DALPA proposed is the most fair and equitable solution to this marriage.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

My BS flag rose up the pole when fins said there would be new-hires flying the 88 as Captain....wishful thinking, but it will go junior...but not to newbies....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It really depends on the back fill needed in the NYC 88A position.
I myself only have eight people that have bid it senior to me. That is total.

 

[ThisistheDream]

having an aircraft fence for 5 yrs or so, with a DOH or close ratio mix after the merger is complete is a fair way to go. That way any DAL or NWA pilot wont be bumped from there current aircraft since they already hold it, unless they bid off it to something else, then seniority will allow who ever to take that spot. You cant say that a 10yr NWA DC9 reserve FO, who flies that aircraft for QOL or for the scehdule, should be junior to a 2yr DAL 767 line holder. The aircraft your currently flying does not always refelct your overall seniority. If every pilot for DAL and NWA used seniority to fly the biggest equipment in the highest paying seat all the bottom pilots at DAL would probally be in the MD88 jfk/atl and the NWA pilots in the dc9 dtw/msp

 

[~~~^~~~]

12 ahead of me for 88A, although I'm not bidding it. Bill, I agree that it is unlikely. But I would have thought it unlikely that I'd be a lineholder on the 767 in October out of ATL.

Kinda hard to think of some of us as "newbie's" after all, we aren't that young, or new.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well the fact is that to you need to understand how the list are rationalized for the SLI.
It is generally done with everyone being put in the most senior position they can hold with out using bases. That means that the new hires that are line holders on all of the "premium widebody flying" are in essence 73NB or M88B. The first 73 or so new hires have enough people below them that they would be considered 737 FO's. The rest are M88 FO's, as most of your new hires are 742 FE's and few may be DC-9 FO's.
Trust me that I if this goes the way that I think it will, the first few classes at DAL (Through May '07) will have more seniority than the rest of the new hires a few months after them. That would be ratio by equipment and using pre JPWA pay rates et al.

 

[~~~^~~~]

having an aircraft fence for 5 yrs or so, with a DOH or close ratio mix after the merger is complete is a fair way to go.

OK, but in you scenario, what happens to the 9 year DC9 FO when the DC9 fleet gets drawn down?

The NWA pilots are all worried about when things go the other way, I share their concern. 5 year fence for furloughs?

I still like my "Fair Plan." Most of the NWA pilots did too.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Everybody ready with some Popcorn for Thursday. I will be watching the Arbitration very closely.

 

[ThisistheDream]

If the DC9 starts to leave within 5yrs or the fence time, they bid what they can hold without displacing a DAL pilot safe under the fence unless they bid off the aircraft, likewise if DAL removes some aircraft.

 

[~~~^~~~]

This is - I like your idea.​

 

[Superpilot92]

Mental Masturbation at its best. My crystal ball is in the mail, once it comes in I will let you know whats going to happen!

Serious note: Chief Pilot told me yesterday that from what he is hearing, DCC is within 6 weeks. FWIW

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is probably a good rumor. Maybe. I think it will occur before Nov 23rd either way.
Was it Tim your MSP guy or the DTW one?