Crappy Pay Offered At Nja

[TheTruthCMH]

Oh, and just for fun:

Captain/PIC (Small Jet) [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Median [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$97,097[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$113,099[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$134,543[/font]

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$93,694[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$109,136[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$129,828[/font]

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]the United States[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$86,028[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$101,574[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$122,487[/font]

Here's the job description these salaries are based on:

[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ensures that trip of assigned flight (aircraft smaller than 12,500 pounds at takeoff) is conducted in the safest manner possible....

I'd be pretty happy with the national average pay, and we don't even have any of those <12,500 jets...[/font]

And just for fun, why don't you try wearing your pager/blackberry for 30 days straight and be on call like most corporate pilots?

Apples to apples...

The Truth Hurts

TTC

 

[Diesel]

Iflyou-

actually the push to flush toilet is one lightbulb. It's either on or off and you can't break a plane due to that light. It's in the mel under convience items. Cat C i believe.

nice try. How much time in the B200? looking across the ramp at it doesn't count. Looks like you got both wrong.

 

[TheTruthCMH]

Iflyou-

actually the push to flush toilet is one lightbulb. It's either on or off and you can't break a plane due to that light. It's in the mel under convience items. Cat C i believe.

nice try. How much time in the B200? looking across the ramp at it doesn't count. Looks like you got both wrong.

Ah Diesel, you know he speaks the TRUTH, but again this is a public board and you will never admit to what he says.

Diesel don't kid yourself, this plays out 50 times a day at NJA. Call it what you will, but it looks like a slowdown to us layman.

The Truth Hurts and no one will ever admit it.

TTC

 

[Diesel]

I don't give a crap trust me. I'll tell you the truth. The truth is you can't ground a plane due to a "flush" lightbulb. There is a book called an MEL. (for the non pilots it's a Minimum Equipment List). If the item is not an MEL it can be MCO'd which will keep the plane flying.

So if the truth hurts why don't you actually use the truth. Jesus use an example that actually presents the facts instead of these half knowing ideas that have no merit.

Scroll through on your little screen and find an airplane that is broken that you don't feel should have been broken. Then PM me and i'll explain in layman terms what it means.

Or you can just perform routine mx on these planes and fix the crap that's about to be broken.

 

[TheTruthCMH]

I don't give a crap trust me. I'll tell you the truth. The truth is you can't ground a plane due to a "flush" lightbulb. There is a book called an MEL. (for the non pilots it's a Minimum Equipment List). If the item is not an MEL it can be MCO'd which will keep the plane flying.

So if the truth hurts why don't you actually use the truth. Jesus use an example that actually presents the facts instead of these half knowing ideas that have no merit.

Scroll through on your little screen and find an airplane that is broken that you don't feel should have been broken. Then PM me and i'll explain in layman terms what it means.

Or you can just perform routine mx on these planes and fix the crap that's about to be broken.

Ok, maybe THAT particular light is in the MEL but YOU KNOW which ones aren't. Just look at what he said as a "metaphor." No need to get hostile.

Fix the crap that is "about" to be broken? What are you saying here? Do you know of something that is "about" to break? Isn't that what I posted earlier when I said that guys know about these problems and then WAIT until they are in the middle of nowhere to write them up? Could this be a Freudian slip?

The Truth Hurts

TTC

 

[Diesel]

man you really are an idiot.

I'll explain this slowly since FS2004 is your job. MX will not fix anything unless it's written up. It's a paperwork thing. So lets take brakes. Brakes have a device that show you how much pad is left. As this pin get's closer to being flush you need to replace the brakes.

So you call mx and say we're getting pretty tight on this brake. It will last the day but can you guys do a break change tonight while we're in PBI. MX says is the pin flush? You say no but it will be i'm just letting you know. Mx says write it up when it's flush. sigh

So the next day you do one leg. The pin is flush after that landing and it's time to write up the plane.

I could explain my job to you all day but it's not going to help. So before you run your mouth about something you know NOTHING about. You don't even have the stones to say what you DO. You probably don't even work for NJA.

But i'm bored and i don't mind explaining my job in very simple slow terms.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

And just for fun, why don't you try wearing your pager/blackberry for 30 days straight and be on call like most corporate pilots?

Apples to apples...

The Truth Hurts

TTC

Actually troll if you looked at how much they work compared to how much we work you would see that we do way more work than a corporate pilot. Sorry you're stuck on the management concept that if you're strapped to a pager then you get more pay.

Take a breath mint, you have dookie breath.
The truth hurts.

Happy Holidays!!!!!!

 

[ProFracPilot]

MX will not fix anything unless it's written up. It's a paperwork thing. So lets take brakes. Brakes have a device that show you how much pad is left. As this pin get's closer to being flush you need to replace the brakes.

So you call mx and say we're getting pretty tight on this brake. It will last the day but can you guys do a break change tonight while we're in PBI. MX says is the pin flush? You say no but it will be i'm just letting you know. Mx says write it up when it's flush. sigh

So the next day you do one leg. The pin is flush after that landing and it's time to write up the plane.

Pardon the hijack of the thread -

It is astonishing how often this same scenario plays out at (probably) all the fractionals. I've tried to do my best to assist scheduling by contacting maintenance with an issue, usually something that is intermittent or the worn brake/tire scenario: "Here's what I'm seeing, it is working / serviceable AT THE MOMENT. I suggest either you (maintenance) choose where to fix it, or the airplane will choose. And in accordance with Murphy, the airplane finally breaks for good in BFE. We see a large number of ferry permits being issued or mx being performed in BFE for this very reason. Either one usually results in an owner disservice. The cost associated with not heeding the advice of the flight crews - in just this one instance - has to be huge. In essence what I'm offering with this advice is an opportunity for both scheduling and maintenance to plan ahead and not be reactionary. I fail to understand why, but I really think they like bleeding the company in this manner.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled squabble.

PfP

 

[Ultra Grump]

Try apples to apples not apples to oranges. If you were to compare a police SGT to a pilot then you would have to move up to chief pilot.

If you want to compare the principle to a pilot then you move to the director of operations.

Why don't you post what a "line" officer makes? I believe FG's point was right on the mark.

The Truth Hurts

TTC

Actually, no. I use police sergeant and principal (as well as HS teacher, which you failed to note) because for "pilot" it's actually "Captain." Not "First Officer." If you want to use the lowest payscale/responsibility for your argument, I can do that, too. Does the truth hurt?

 

[Hawk Driver]

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[Ultra Grump]

Half-Truths in CMH-

Here is the apples-to-apples comparison you asked for:

Police Patrol Officer
25th%ile.... $37,120
Median......$44,547
75th%ile.....$52,554
Or check out this link
1st year pay $51,114

[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fire Fighter
25th%ile....[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$27,709[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Median.......[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$36,944[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
75th%ile.....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$46,181[/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]Or check out this link
1st year pay $32,724
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Teacher - Elementary School [/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$37,692[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Median......[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$46,014[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,576[/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]Or check out this link
1st year pay $30,496
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First Officer - Netjets
25th %ile....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$28,368[/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Median.......[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$29,628[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] 75th %ile....[/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$30,888
[/font]1st year pay $27,108

Is that apples-to-apples enough for you? Feel that sting? That's the Truth, f**kin' with you.

 

[NJACMH]

Wow, look at all this bickering! Seems to me if you don't like the pay then you better get yourself educated and find a new career.

Pilots are dime a dozen these days.

 

[gunfyter]

This is typical of the disrespect in CMH and Woodbridge.

Do you have more education than me?

Doubtful.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Wow, look at all this bickering! Seems to me if you don't like the pay then you better get yourself educated and find a new career.

Pilots are dime a dozen these days.

DING, DING, DING We have a new contestant.

So tell him Bill, what does our new Troll win?

Thanks BoB, our new troll will get 7 days and 6 nights of getting his arse beat on this board. Our Troll also gets a free lifetime supply of suppositories to help him contain all the company kool-aid he has been drinking. And finally BoB our new Troll will receive all the facts from the union boys down at 1108.

Thanks Bill.

And now Mr. Troll would you like to double your lies by spinning the wheel of disaster?


A word of advice- go away now and stay out of a fight that you have no control over before yoy get hurt.

 

[NJACMH]

Yeah, give me a double there Bad Monkey ,

Wow, already resorting to name calling. That's the professionalism we see at Bridgeway and Woodbridge on a daily basis.

I must of hit a sore spot. LMAO

 

[FAcFriend]

Bad Moneky

This was funny, but you are just a bit off....

It was supposed to be a "washer and Dryer, chosen especially for you."

C'mon you always just miss the mark-

 

[Fracster]

Looks like Troll, family guy or one of the other ones got themselves a second log in. Real creative there kiddies.

 

[NJACMH]

Sorry, but I am not troll or family guy.

I just would like to know how you guys can sit back and complain about a company that is supporting a wage for you?

Whenever I don't like a company or need a change. I take my credientials and experience and leave for a greener pasture.

I see so many here who tell others not to come here, but they are probably the ones who will jump the fence and still want to work once the strike happens.

I don't care who you are or what profession your are in. If you don't like it get the he?? out.

This company is going to run so much better once the union is gone and we have employees who want to work.

 

[dsptchrnja]

STFD

What do you do for a living? And what do you have to gain by being mean-spirited to people you do not even associate with?

 

[FamilyGuy]

[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Police Sergeant [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]25th%ile [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Median [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]75th%ile
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$56,453[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,196[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$71,893[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$58,503[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$66,527[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$74,504[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Teacher - High School
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$42,919[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,168[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$63,626[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$44,478[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$56,135[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$65,937[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Principal [/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,230[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$78,326[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$95,303[/font] [font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY [/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$66,562[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$81,170 [/font][font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$98,764[/font]
[font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Fire Fighter [/font][font=arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font][font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Los Angeles, CA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$31,283[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$41,710[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$52,138[/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New York, NY[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$32,419[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$43,225[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$54,031[/font]
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NetJets Pilot [/font]
[font=verdana,arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Gateway, USA[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$57,996[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$60,984[/font] [font=verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$64,188[/font]

Try again...

Nice job of selective editing Grump.

Why did you choose Los Angeles and New York City for your comparisons?

This seems odd, since less than 5% of NetJets pilots live in those cities.

Wouldnt a better comparator be the national average? Especially since NetJets pilots can, and do, live all over the country?

To save you the time...here's the figures for you. (by the way, the source is monster.com)

National Averages.....25th%....Median......75th%
High School Teacher..$38,015...$47,979...$56,356
Principal...................$56,891...$69,376...$84,413
Fire Fighter...............$27,709...$36,944...$46,181
Highway Patrol...........$32,553...$40,686...$49,183
Police Patrol Officer....$37,120...$44,547...$52,554
Police Sergeant..........$50,003...$56,861...$63,679

NetJets Pilot..............$57,996...$60,984....$64,188

Looks like my original point is still valid. So, since the pilots make more than teachers, firefighters, and police officers, is Steel willing to give his excess salary to charity and pass on that reasonable raise? After all, we want everything to be fair and people paid according to responsibility...