Corporate vs. Commercial

[semperfido]

corporate has been good to me -- no complaints...nothing more to say

 

[Flechas]

Hey Skyline, you need to have a beer, some good BBQ, chill out, and change your attitude. Everyhting you say has a negative side to it. It's people like you that don't make it anywhere, because wherevere they make it, is never good enough. This industry requires a great attitude, hard worlk, and perseverance. I was shut down the first time for all the flying jobs I've had (Only 3), I guess I should've givien up according to you. Maybe you should give up already and do something else so you don't have to endure this hard life.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I printed this list on another thread in "corporate". Hope you don't mind, but I think its appropriate to copy here.

I've done both airline and corporate and I prefer corporate.

So here's a list of the top Fortune 100 (from 2003) to get you started. Revenue is in billions of dollars:

1. Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Bentonville, Ark., 1, $258.681
2. Exxon Mobil Corp., Irving, Texas, 3, $213.199
3. General Motors Corp., Detroit, 2, $195.645
4. Ford Motor Co., Dearborn, Mich., 4, $164.496
5. General Electric Co., Fairfield, Conn., 5, $134.187
6. ChevronTexaco Corp., San Ramon, Calif., 7, $112.937
7. ConocoPhillips, Houston, 12, $99.468
8. Citigroup Inc., New York, 6, $94.713
9. International Business Machines Corp., Armonk, N.Y., 8, $89.131
10. American International Group, Inc., New York, 9, $81.300
11. Hewlett-Packard Co., Palo Alto, Calif., 14, $73.061
12. Verizon Communications Inc., New York, 10, $67.752
13. The Home Depot Inc., Atlanta, 13, $64.816
14. Berkshire Hathaway Inc., Omaha, 28, $63.859
15. Altria Group Inc., New York, 11, $60.704
16. McKesson Corp., San Francisco, 20, $57.129
17. Cardinal Health Inc., Dublin, Ohio, 19, $56.830
18. State Farm Insurance Cos., Bloomington, Ill., 21, $56.065
19. The Kroger Co., Cincinnati, 18, $53.791
20. Fannie Mae, Washington, D.C., 16, $53.767
21. The Boeing Co., Chicago, 15, $50.485
22. AmerisourceBergen Corp., Chesterbrook, Pa., 24, $49.657
23. Target Corp., Minneapolis, 25, $48.163
24. Bank of America Corp., Charlotte, N.C., 23, $48.065
25. Pfizer Inc., New York, 37, $45.950
26. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., New York, 26, $44.363
27. Time Warner Inc., New York, 29, $43.877
28. The Procter & Gamble Co., Cincinnati, 31, $43.377
29. Costco Wholesale Corp., Issaquah, Wash., 33, $42.546
30. Johnson & Johnson, New Brunswick, N.J., 34, $41.862
31. Dell Inc., Round Rock, Texas, 36, $41.444
32. Sears Roebuck and Co., Hoffman Estates, Ill., 30, $41.124
33. SBC Communications Inc., San Antonio, 27, $40.843
34. Valero Energy Corp, San Antonio, 55, $37.969
35. Marathon Oil Corp., Houston, 52, $37.137
36. MetLife Inc., New York, 38, $36.261
37. Safeway Inc., Pleasanton, Calif., 41, $35.553
38. Albertson's Inc., Boise, 35, $35.436
39. Morgan Stanley, New York, 40, $34.933
40. AT&T, Bedminster, N.J., 22, $34.529
41. Medco Health Solutions, Franklin Lakes, N.J., new to list, $34.265
42. United Parcel Service Inc., Atlanta, 43, $33.485
43. J.C. Penney Co. Inc., Plano, Texas, 42, $32.923
44. The Dow Chemical Co., Midland, Mich., 51, $32.632
45. Walgreen Co., Deerfield, Ill., 45, $32.505
46. Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Wash., 47, $32.187
47. The Allstate Corp., Northbrook, Ill., 44, $32.149
48. Lockheed Martin Corp., Bethesda, Md., 56, $31.844
49. Wells Fargo & Co., San Francisco, 46, $31.800
50. Lowe's Cos. Inc., Mooresville, N.C., 60, $31.263
51. United Technologies Corp., Hartford, Conn., 49, $31.034
52. Archer-Daniels-Midland Co., Decatur, Ill., 71, $30.708
53. Intel Corp., Santa Clara, Calif., 58, $30.141
54. UnitedHealth Group Inc., Minnetonka, Minn., 63, $28.823
55. Northrop Grumman Corp., Los Angeles, 99, $28.686
56. Delphi Corp., Troy, Mich., 53, $28.096
57. Prudential Financial Inc., Newark, N.J., 57, $27.907
58. Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc., New York, 48, $27.745
59. E.I. du Pont de Nemours, Wilmington, Del., 67, $27.730
60. The Walt Disney Co., Burbank, Calif., 61, $27.061
61. Motorola Inc., Schaumburg, Ill., 59, $27.058
62. PepsiCo Inc., Purchase, N.Y., 62, $26.971
63. CVS Corp., Woonsocket, R.I., 68, $26.588
64. Viacom Inc., New York, 66, $26.585
65. Sprint Corp., Overland Park, Kan., 54, $26.202
66. Sysco Corp., Houston, 73, $26.140
67. Kmart Holding Corp., Troy, Mich., 39, $26.032
68. TIAA-CREF, New York, 89, $26.016
69. American Express Co., New York, 69, $25.866
70. New York Life Insurance Co., New York, 65, $25.700
71. International Paper Co., Stamford, Conn., 64, $25.200
72. Tyson Foods Inc., Springdale, Ark., 72, $24.549
73. Wachovia Corp., Charlotte, N.C., 70, $24.474
74. Goldman Sachs Group Inc., New York, 75, $23.623
75. Duke Energy, Charlotte, N.C., 118, $23.483
76. Honeywell International Inc., Morristown, N.J., 78, $23.103
77. Caterpillar Inc., Peoria, Ill., 85, $22.763
78. Best Buy Co. Inc., Richfield, Minn., 91, $22.673
79. Johnson Controls Inc., Milwaukee, 86, $22.646
80. BellSouth Corp., Atlanta, 77, $22.635
81. Ingram Micro Inc., Santa Ana, Calif., 76, $22.613
82. FedEx Corp., Memphis, 83, $22.487
83. Merck & Co. Inc., Whitehouse Station, N.J., 17, $22.486
84. ConAgra Foods Inc. Omaha, 50, $22.053
85. HCA Inc, Nashville, 90, $21.808
86. Alcoa Inc., Pittsburgh, 82, $21.728
87. Electronic Data Systems, Plano, Texas, 80, $21.596
88. Bank One Corp., Chicago, 79, $21.454
89. Comcast Corp., Philadelphia, 157, $21.263
90. Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Co., Springfield, Mass., 84, $21.076
91. The Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta, 92, $21.044
92. Bristol-Myers Squibb Co., New York, 98, $20.671
93. WellPoint Health Networks Inc., Thousand Oaks, Calif., 103, $20.360
94. Georgia-Pacific Corp., Atlanta, 74, $20.255
95. Weyerhaeuser Co., Federal Way, Wash., 96, $19.873
96. Abbott Laboratories, Abbott Park, Ill., 100, $19.681
97. AutoNation Inc., Fort Lauderdale, 93, $19.381
98. The Williams Cos. Inc., Tulsa, 196, $19.246
99. Supervalu Inc., Eden Prairie, Minn., 81, $19.160
100. Cisco Systems Inc., San Jose, Calif., 95, $18.878

This list is great, but revenues are useless.....
look at GM/Ford -- huge revenues and the companies are practically in shambles...
look for PROFITS, not revenues!


Oh, and Yes, skyline is completly clueless when it comes to corp aviation!

His attitude is the reason many 121 resumes wind up in the trash at good corp jobs....

whatever...ooppss theres my beeper agin, dammm this 24 hr on call...and I hope we dont sell all the planes tommorrow....better apply at United Airlines, DAL, or AA in case...(haha)

My guess is there has been more airline junk parked in the desert this year alone than corp aircaft sold over the last 10 years combined....

 

[Skyline]

Like Spooky Said

Like Spooky said,

Its all a matter of perspective. My best corporate job had me sitting on 30 minute call out 24/7 18 days on and 4 days off. It was a complete nightmare. Sure I was home a lot but with no life. I couldn't even go to the grocery store without being afraid of having to leave a full cart when the phone rang. I couldn't go on a nice jog or join a softball team. I couldn't leave a 10 mile perimeter of the airport. All I could do was to watch TV and surf the net. I hated it. Others, who had no life anyway, loved it, or at least they are still there. And for my part of the country this employer is one of the better known outfits. They are swamped with resumes from highly experienced pilots, so It doesnt fill me with any hope that there is much better anyplace close at least.

From my experience you have a fantasy job. Good for you. I don't know anyone like that and we didn't get paid anywhere close to NBAA. Usually it is half of what they claim is average. I was just on the phone today with a friend who is a Learjet Captain and he told me that the going top rate at his company was 42K for a Captain and 24K for an FO. He is out over 15 days a month.

I suppose I could pull up stakes and move again to earn double but most of those jobs are located in larger urban areas and I doubt that the increase in pay would be worthwhile. In short I didn't like it at all and I know few who have a much better deal. My hopes in becoming an aviator was to have a better life to be paid a livable wage and to build a rich life full of friends, family and personal growth. During my corporate days I lost money, had a near prison term QOL and was jerked awake at 2:00AM to take drunken business men to Reno. Great fun !! Burnt FOB coffee and 14 days in a Hotel 6 staring at the walls. If you guys like it than good for you. I learned long ago that it is much better to be sitting in the back of a small jet sipping on a T&T then to be the two up front. To this day I cant see a Learjet overhead without triggering the gag reflex.

Skyline

 

[Flechas]

Like Spooky said,

Its all a matter of perspective. My best corporate job had me sitting on 30 minute call out 24/7 18 days on and 4 days off. It was a complete nightmare. Sure I was home a lot but with no life. I couldn't even go to the grocery store without being afraid of having to leave a full cart when the phone rang. I couldn't go on a nice jog or join a softball team. I couldn't leave a 10 mile perimeter of the airport.

I was just on the phone today with a friend who is a Learjet Captain and he told me that the going top rate at his company was 42K for a Captain and 24K for an FO. He is out over 15 days a month.

Skyline

You need to get new friends, seems tome that most of the corporate guys here are happy with their jobs.

 

[Skyline]

You Guys

Live it up. You corporate/charter guys have always had an inferiority complex. Well today is your time in the sun. I am sure that at one time most of you tried hard to get on with a major airline. You don't have to even deny it because I know you will. Many a corporate hangar is filled with airline rejects. Well get out there and crow. The bus drivers have fallen on hard times. For now at least you can dance for us.

Skyline


All in good fun.

 

[semperfido]

Live it up. You corporate/charter guys have always had an inferiority complex. Well today is your time in the sun. I am sure that at one time most of you tried hard to get on with a major airline. You don't have to even deny it because I know you will. Many a corporate hangar is filled with airline rejects. Well get out there and crow. The bus drivers have fallen on hard times. For now at least you can dance for us.

Skyline


All in good fun.

that is some attitude you have there. just a think-you-know-it-all kinda guy i suspect. i doubt your brief stint as a so-called corp pilot gave you a very accurate picture.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Live it up. You corporate/charter guys have always had an inferiority complex. Well today is your time in the sun. I am sure that at one time most of you tried hard to get on with a major airline. You don't have to even deny it because I know you will. Many a corporate hangar is filled with airline rejects. Well get out there and crow. The bus drivers have fallen on hard times. For now at least you can dance for us.

Skyline


All in good fun.

I see all your "corporate" experience is in 500 citations and Learjets.....sounds like garbage charter to me!

No wonder a 737 looks so great.

 

[xdrvr]

Rrrriiiiight and the majors/regionals have never heard of the word "furlough"??!

 

[xdrvr]

Here's my 2cents worth... My first "real" flying job was cargo at the time guys were going to the commuters (which in my opinion, can't figure out from Cargo) but other guys were goin' to Corp or Majors --now honestly for me it was the break --the job offer dropped in my lap type thing... I fly Corp good QOL, pay etc so I can't complain... but if you're hard core about one area or the other, then that's what you go for. There are all gammits (QOL, pay) in EACH area of aviation. I think everybody agrees the magnet for the majors was the retirement program.. that's gone now. You have to plan your retirement on investments... other things. So it just depends on the lifestyle, benies and places you want to go... (FYI my job gives you each month's schedule in advance also... with hard days off.) Some guys like the "prestige" of flying for a major --'cause what's the first question everyone asks when you tell them you're a pilot, "oh who do you fly for?" expecting you to name a major. Some guys don't like the same runs everyday and go Corp because it is a lavish lifestyle. Some guys don't like Corp because you are away from home a week or two at a time. I buddy of mine flies Cargo he has hard set days off, but when he's on he's usually out and back --rarely overnights for more than 2 nts at a time. Hope this doesn't confuse you even more... Good luck!