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[chickenwolf]

What if you plan to move closer to a base if you get the job? Iis that adequate to begin employment. Also is the 1 week of vacation going to be changing?

THX

 

[flagshipper]

I don't quite understand.....I've got about 3200 hours, CE-500 type, about 1000 hours in the airplane, 700 PIC in the airplane, about 2000 multi, 1800 jet, and about 7 years of corporate experience. I been sending them resumes for the past 2 to 3 months, and can't get them to fart in my general direction. Am I underqualified or something? What else do I need to be doing? Thx!

I have heard from several people that the 700 letter essay you write is critical to make yourself stand out. Also be sure you are actually applying for the job. You have to fill out your profile but it is an entirely separate step to apply for the first officer position.

 

[flagshipper]

What if you plan to move closer to a base if you get the job? Iis that adequate to begin employment. Also is the 1 week of vacation going to be changing?

THX

I actually asked them about this. Their written policy is that they need proof of residency within 2 hours of base 2 weeks prior to your start date but they can fudge on this a little but no later than the day before your start date. If you have not moved before your start date they change it and eventually retract the offer.

 

[1234abcd]

INDOC and reality are very different at CS.
Enjoy the "Standby hours" sitting at the airport(New)
Give NJ serious consideration their contract is available to read online
Good ole boys(Koolaid servers and drinkers) get the promotions
management support and processes are weak

 

[vrb115]

Hey Captvego,

Give Bogart a reach around he might help you

 

[Iam3rd]

Trash, I was in HPN a few weeks ago and I heard a few CS guys talking and bitching about some new rumors. They were saying that you guys will be required to wear an airline like hat which will have yellow wings and the letters "CS" will be molded in the middle of the wings. They showed me the picture of the hat online and I guess they were a bit upset that these hats will come with chin straps as well. Guess they will hold better when its windy outside.

I also heard that these new hats will come with a free set of knee pads.

 

[bravodude]

INDOC and reality are very different at CS.
Enjoy the "Standby hours" sitting at the airport(New)
Give NJ serious consideration their contract is available to read online
Good ole boys(Koolaid servers and drinkers) get the promotions
management support and processes are weak

couldn't agree with you more. this place really has changed. i heard we just had a class of 19 start and only 12 showed up. people are leaving left and right. mgt is drinking their own koolaid and can't see that the pilots have had enough.

 

[NJA bound]

INDOC and reality are very different at CS.
Enjoy the "Standby hours" sitting at the airport(New)
Give NJ serious consideration their contract is available to read online
Good ole boys(Koolaid servers and drinkers) get the promotions
management support and processes are weak

You are on the clock during the new standby hours arn't you?

 

[1234abcd]

Yes we are on duty during standby.

WRT the INDOC Class.

I heard they hired 25, 17 scheduled, 10 showed even with reduced qualifications.

 

[Fozzy]

Sounds like the honeymoon may be coming to an end.

 

[On Your Six]

Yes we are on duty during standby.

WRT the INDOC Class.

I heard they hired 25, 17 scheduled, 10 showed even with reduced qualifications.

Are these no-shows going to other fractionals like Netjets instead?

 

[saabservant]

I had an interview there recently; they let you know the same day. Good experience, a good tour and explanation of the operation. Turned down an offer, as I cannot do their schedule. Oops! should have done more research.
Sounded like a better life than that at the regional. All is relative I guess...

Was surprised to see only one week vacation-that is low for being away a lot. And the pay is low, compared to Netjets. They say they want to be smaller, but provide first-class service...will probably have to start paying first class wages to get the personnel, though. Not surprised to hear of people leaving there, or many other places. The regionals are hiring, with commercial licenses, and some offering bonuses or base guarantees. I think companies are going to have to re-think business plans that count on cheap pilots...

The new XLS, and the CJ3 and Sovereign would have been fun to fly...

 

[Stinkbug]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but your post was a bit of a head-scratcher for me. Cheap pilots? Pay low compared to Netjets? I'm aware of the advantages that the Netjets guys have with regard to work rules and vacation, which they worked hard to negotiate into their contracts...but I'm not sure I'm following you otherwise; the pay between the two is pretty similar when you compare similar fleet types.

And either is far and away a better move financially than any regional. That's just MY opinion.

 

[Sparse]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but your post was a bit of a head-scratcher for me. Cheap pilots? Pay low compared to Netjets? I'm aware of the advantages that the Netjets guys have with regard to work rules and vacation, which they worked hard to negotiate into their contracts...but I'm not sure I'm following you otherwise; the pay between the two is pretty similar when you compare similar fleet types.

And either is far and away a better move financially than any regional. That's just MY opinion.

The only advantage CS has over Netjets, particularly a new hire is the choice of basing and that's it. If I were a new hire and could live in one of NJs bases, there would not be a choice. The fractionals will have harder times recruiting the type of individual they are accustomed to unless they all improve their benefits and quality of life. The pay at NJ and CS is respectable for what we do, it's the Q of life that matters to me.

 

[Stinkbug]

The only advantage CS has over Netjets, particularly a new hire is the choice of basing and that's it. If I were a new hire and could live in one of NJs bases, there would not be a choice. The fractionals will have harder times recruiting the type of individual they are accustomed to unless they all improve their benefits and quality of life. The pay at NJ and CS is respectable for what we do, it's the Q of life that matters to me.

QOL is important to me too, and I don't think it's bad at all. Again though, I guess mileage varies from one person to the next. I wasn't trying to assert that I thought CS pilots were in better shape than the Netjets guys, I just thought the previous poster's comments about cheap pilots and low pay at CS was odd, along with his comparison of CS to the regionals. I just don't think there's any comparison

 

[Sparse]

along with his comparison of CS to the regionals. I just don't think there's any comparison

I do agree on that one.

 

[saabservant]

I believe I said that CJ would have been a much better deal than that at a regional, so long as you can work the schedule.
You are right, it is a no brainer...the only people who stay at regionals into their 50's are those whose spouses make good coin and want to stay, or those who are frankly too lazy to get out and compete for better jobs....
Just hope it is not me...

 

[flagshipper]

I guess it has eveything to do with where you came from. I have never had a week of paid vacation in my life and have never had 401k and affordable benefits and have never had more than maybe 8-10 days off a month. So to me the fractional industry as a whole seems pretty nice. I have worked for my share of crappy 121 and 135 companies but have never made more than 40k. 1 week of vacation isnt that bad when you get 26 other weeks off a year. Yeah I know Netjets gets two but they also have to be based in 5 very big expensive cities. (don't just assume that is going to change in the next contract) so that cost of having to move or pay to commute via driving or flying offsets the small pay difference. Most of the fractionals are strong and growing and really don't directly compete since most owners are new and not transfers from other services. I will go to whichever frac calls because they are all a step above the regionals and shady 135 operators but the basing of CS actually appeals to me more because commuting sucks especially when it is on your own dime. I do have a thing against kneepads though but the hats sound pimp!!!!!!

What if you plan to move closer to a base if you get the job? Iis that adequate to begin employment. Also is the 1 week of vacation going to be changing?

THX

 

[Sparse]

I guess it has eveything to do with where you came from. I have never had a week of paid vacation in my life and have never had 401k and affordable benefits and have never had more than maybe 8-10 days off a month. So to me the fractional industry as a whole seems pretty nice. I have worked for my share of crappy 121 and 135 companies but have never made more than 40k. 1 week of vacation isnt that bad when you get 26 other weeks off a year. Yeah I know Netjets gets two but they also have to be based in 5 very big expensive cities. (don't just assume that is going to change in the next contract) so that cost of having to move or pay to commute via driving or flying offsets the small pay difference. Most of the fractionals are strong and growing and really don't directly compete since most owners are new and not transfers from other services. I will go to whichever frac calls because they are all a step above the regionals and shady 135 operators but the basing of CS actually appeals to me more because commuting sucks especially when it is on your own dime. I do have a thing against kneepads though but the hats sound pimp!!!!!!

What lies in your response is exactly what is wrong with this profession. Pilots sell themselves too short. The real earning power of the major airline jobs has come down because some sold themselves short and were willing to do the job for a lot less. Less in real dollars and QOL. Your attitude on vacation is exactly why it will never change. You are willing to do ir for less because less is better than what you have. We need to place real value on what we do. Our week off after a tour is just that, our week off. COmpare the time you spend on the job each week to that of the office types and you will see a staggering figure. The office types get to go home every night. We do not. I don't know for a fact, but I bet they get two weeks vacation. All and all, a fractional pilot spends close to twice the amount of time at work (hours away from home) as the average 40 hour per week worker. One week of vacation os pathetic.

 

[Captainzero1]

The only advantage CS has over Netjets, particularly a new hire is the choice of basing and that's it. If I were a new hire and could live in one of NJs bases, there would not be a choice. The fractionals will have harder times recruiting the type of individual they are accustomed to unless they all improve their benefits and quality of life. The pay at NJ and CS is respectable for what we do, it's the Q of life that matters to me.

Sparse, have you gone over to the dark side?