Citation Shares: After 10 year $103,000?

[gunfyter]

Not bad for an Excel guy BluePost. When are you coming to the Falcon? But with all this bragging you are going to make us take concessions in 2010. Loose lips sink ships

 

[jpilot]

If this is true, which I really doubt, I hope our management finds out who these people are and fire their ass. Unions are made for people who are afraid to do their job. We will NEVER have a need for a union here at CS, because our management will do everything it takes for that not to happen. It's funny that you union goons find all these CS pilots that want a union. I'll bet you anything that I know alot more CS pilots than you do and they all agree that we don't want a union here. That is why they chose to work here, NO UNION. So I think it's time for you to get off of your soapbox. Preach your religion elsewhere.

Guess you need to read up on union organizing 101. You can't fire people for union organizing. Or should I say, you can, but will suffer consequences. Just ask the RTA union organizers that were fired in the FLOPS merger. They are laughing all the way to the bank. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?!!!

 

[CastofThousands]

If this is true, which I really doubt, I hope our management finds out who these people are and fire their ass. Unions are made for people who are afraid to do their job. We will NEVER have a need for a union here at CS, because our management will do everything it takes for that not to happen. It's funny that you union goons find all these CS pilots that want a union. I'll bet you anything that I know alot more CS pilots than you do and they all agree that we don't want a union here. That is why they chose to work here, NO UNION. So I think it's time for you to get off of your soapbox. Preach your religion elsewhere.

You can crawl into bed each night knowing 1108 will be a constant and consistent voice advocating for professional aviators. You, and the rest of your management team, can wake up each morning with the benefit of that understanding. Not if, but when you take advantage of the CS pilot group, we will be their preferred alternative. Simply put, don't make the traditional management mistakes, because 1108 representation is always an option, at the pilot group's discretion. At that point in time management is only along for the ride.

As long as that is understood we will all be better off. I know 1108 doesn't need the extra work, their are plenty of management teams making these mistakes. So, to everyone's benefit, take care of your pilots, and treat them as professionals.

Respectfully,

 

[FRACTRASH]

I'm not saying CS got exactly the same deal NJ received. Give it time, we are a very young and growing company. One thing that is constant right now at CS is change. NJ been around for what? 15 years more than CS. You should have more benefits. My point is everyone is happy to be with a young striving company, who treats us very well. I can't wait to see where we will be in 10 years. Give it time.

 

[skiandsurf]

I'm not saying CS got exactly the same deal NJ received. Give it time, we are a very young and growing company. One thing that is constant right now at CS is change. NJ been around for what? 15 years more than CS. You should have more benefits. My point is everyone is happy to be with a young striving company, who treats us very well. I can't wait to see where we will be in 10 years. Give it time.

It would be great to live in a perfect world, but we dont. You think that your company treats you great, well everyone knows that Southwest Airlines treats their employees great. Guess what, they are also one of the most heavily unionized airlines. Sure the pilots dont belong to ALPA or Teamster, they have their own SWAPA. Management will never give you things because they want to be known as the good guys.

...I do agree, that unions do help support the weak, but they also provide more for the rest of us.

 

[Jetz]

I say again...

You can crawl into bed each night knowing 1108 will be a constant and consistent voice advocating for professional aviators. You, and the rest of your management team, can wake up each morning with the benefit of that understanding. Not if, but when you take advantage of the CS pilot group, we will be their preferred alternative. Simply put, don't make the traditional management mistakes, because 1108 representation is always an option, at the pilot group's discretion. At that point in time management is only along for the ride.

As long as that is understood we will all be better off. I know 1108 doesn't need the extra work, their are plenty of management teams making these mistakes. So, to everyone's benefit, take care of your pilots, and treat them as professionals.

Respectfully,

Why all the F.U.D.?

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1052771&postcount=73

 

[CastofThousands]

Why all the F.U.D.?

If you're are management it could be construed that way.

If you're a line pilot it's nice to know you have options. I doubt the line pilots fear options. 1108 represent line pilots, management has their own union, "the good ole boy network." Simply because pilots are far more intelligent than management gives them credit for I am comfortable with the fact pilots have these options. The reason management could construe it as FUD is because management hates when pilots have options outside of the options management wants to provide. In other words, it's FUD if you're management because you know you will step on your Johnson sooner or later and pilot don't forgive, or forget, very easily - that's why they make excellent union members.
This FUD's for you :beer:

Sincerely,

 

[Guitar rocker]

Guitar Rocker = Pat Benatar? Woo, thats way off base dude. Maybe Debbie Gibson or ahhh whats that girl who was on the Partridge family? Gotta keep on keep on keep on keep on dancin all through the night..... No, that was the brady bunch. Marcia marcia marcia!!!

Muahahahah.

I like the new rocker, all cheery talking about beer. Nice metamorphosis.

I dont know Safety dude....between wondering what underwear I wear and talking about Debbie Gibson...........I think that you are making us all wonder about your preferences here. Lemme guess, you also like that sweet berry beer..........you ought to try Guiness, Bud, or Fosters.....or something that isnt girly for a change.

Gimme a Fender strat and a Line 6 amp with some good distortion and I'd be happy with that while you play air guitar, tip toe around the house and sing along to all those great Debbie Gibson songs which you know by heart. You dont wear that silly hat she wore too, uh???

 

[Guitar rocker]

I'm not saying CS got exactly the same deal NJ received. Give it time, we are a very young and growing company. One thing that is constant right now at CS is change. NJ been around for what? 15 years more than CS. You should have more benefits. My point is everyone is happy to be with a young striving company, who treats us very well. I can't wait to see where we will be in 10 years. Give it time.

That will be ineteresting to see. For now, I am happy for you guys and for those that I do know over at CS. I understand what you are saying Trash and enjoy it while it lasts....hopefully so for a long time.

 

[Jetz]

If you're are management it could be construed that way.

If you're a line pilot it's nice to know you have options. This FUD's for you :beer:

Sincerely, my a$$

The F.U.D. you spew in the post quoted here: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1052771&postcount=73 is clearly aimed at Pilots, not management.

You want pilots to fear that they need to organize now because WHEN netjets and CS merge (because as you say of a secret meeting with Textron ah, you mean Cessna...LOL) they will be pasted. You are clearly placing FUD in the minds of those who would decide to fill out cards or not. Both CS Management and Pilots would view your spew the same way. Your union thug ways are so transparent, and those wise Pilots who appreciate having options, as you say, are wise enough to know better.

As you say, this FUD is for them. That post was clearly (albeit cheaply in a foreign country) manufactured for them to take hook line and stinker. "Oh, you may have it good now but check back with me in three years and we will see." Come on.

I heard they are biting over in the Avantair thread. Its all fished out over here.

 

[gunfyter]

Maybe this should be a new thread but...

Latest AIN article on Fracs quotes Fractional Insider saying OEMs need to spin off their fracs....


I gotta admit. I don't see why.

As long as CS is selling Citations... why would Cessna sell off CS?

 

[CastofThousands]

The F.U.D. you spew in the post quoted here: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1052771&postcount=73 is clearly aimed at Pilots, not management.

You want pilots to fear that they need to organize now because WHEN netjets and CS merge (because as you say of a secret meeting with Textron ah, you mean Cessna...LOL) they will be pasted. You are clearly placing FUD in the minds of those who would decide to fill out cards or not. Both CS Management and Pilots would view your spew the same way. Your union thug ways are so transparent, and those wise Pilots who appreciate having options, as you say, are wise enough to know better.

As you say, this FUD is for them. That post was clearly (albeit cheaply in a foreign country) manufactured for them to take hook line and stinker. "Oh, you may have it good now but check back with me in three years and we will see." Come on.

I heard they are biting over in the Avantair thread. Its all fished out over here.

You're OK, you're management will take care of you. They will not subject you to harm in an effort to capitalize, or offset losses, in any way, shape, or form. When it comes to their country club membership and your health insurance, you can rest assured the additional costs of health insurance will be evenly distributed across the pilot group.

But, I would regret not pointing out the obvious. You can rest well knowing that in an industry that is still searching for its footing and a little stability, where the manufacturers now recognize they are taking financial losses while under cutting a profitable market for the operators. There is no need to worry about the sweet deal in this uncertain industry, because management always looks out for their pilots.

In fact, I always trust in management's good nature, because in this day and age, and in this industry - what's not to trust? Management has your back.

As I said, this FUD's for you; management and management sympathizers.

Cheers,

 

[Some Dude]

I have to laugh when someone says "our management is great and we will never need a union." You can't predict that great management will be there for you entire career.? Things change people change. Anything could happen.

 

[FLYLOW22]

"Et tu, Brute?"

 

[Humphreybogart]

You want pilots to fear that they need to organize now because WHEN netjets and CS merge...

Don't BOGART that joint, my friend.

 

[Jetz]

Easy now boogie

Don't BOGART that joint, my friend.

Easy there cowboy, those words :

You want pilots to fear that they need to organize now because WHEN netjets and CS merge...

...were a reference to what CastofPlaster was saying by trying to plant F.U.D. (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) in the context of his statement. Put that thing back in the ashtray and listen up, I'm telling those boys to stop fragging us with FUD. Over.

 

[C680]

geez

Maybe this should be a new thread but...

Latest AIN article on Fracs quotes Fractional Insider saying OEMs need to spin off their fracs....


I gotta admit. I don't see why.

As long as CS is selling Citations... why would Cessna sell off CS?

You are incorrugable, brutal. The power of suggestion. Haha.

 

[gunfyter]

Not really.

Have you ever wondered why Cessna started CS?

At that time NJ ws selling Citations as fast as they could be produced. In the sizes of the models Cessna makes... we sold nothing made by competitor.

Nontheless, Cessna saw a need to start CS. Whats changed to make Cessna not feel the need to operate CS?

 

[FRACTRASH]

If your company is in financial trouble, it doesn't matter if you have a union or not. Just look at the airlines. They had one of the strongest aviation unions, ALPA and they took 50+% pay cuts and lost there retirements. In my experience, unions tend to force companies into financial trouble sooner, by not allowing companies the flexibilities they need to operate effectively. If the fractional industry is a failed business model, then we're all in trouble, union or not.

 

[FRACTRASH]

I'll say it again, lets get over this union talk. your always going to have people on both sides of the fence.