brokeflyer
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FRACTRASH said:Like I said to all the NJ pilots on this board, if your so happy and you have it all because of the local 1108, good!! We don't need you at CS please move on. I can't say this enough, your trying to fight a battle when there's no war. Your like those nagging sales calls I get from India. If and when I want your product I'll call you! For now please take CS off your calling list.
Now, what can we possibly talk about besides your union! How about the wide body jet Citation got on the drawing board. Does anyone have any information on what it's going to look like.
CastofThousands said:I will be happy to spell it out for you. As I understand it a group of CS pilots mailed an entire seniority and address list to 1108. It's also my understanding that there is a reasonably large group of pilots trying to get an organizing drive going at CS. I was told this group of pilots approached 1108. So when you say give it up, and move on, I suggest you talk to your own pilots. I am not blinded by the fact there are pilots who don't want to unionize, you shouldn't be ignorant to the reality there are pilots who do want to unionize. Guess what? 50.01% prevail under the RLA as well as within the union. I will point out, to my knowledge, 1108 has never officially or unofficially indicated they had an interest in organizing CS. Simple reason, as long as CS management doesn't try to set low industry wages that whipsaw 1108 pilots, all is well.
My personal opinion here, NetJets pilots are in the drivers seat for ALL union to nonunion consolidation. Through a couple of industry reporters, supposedly "in the know," it has been confirmed that NetJets and Textron, I mean Cessna, have been mending some wound left by Cessna's old CEO - Russ - who started CS. One reporter said they "can't confirm or deny" a meeting with NetJets and Textron, I mean Cessna. I do know NetJets Cessna 680 and XLS orders jumped dramatically last month, and right now over 75% of NetJets new aircraft are Cessna (public information).
The 1108 leadership is well versed and studied on the issues. It would be safe to assume the Flight Options drive all came together after is was publicly confirmed by NetJets Chairman that there was no possibility of a merger with Flight Options. In addition, it's my understanding there is a private equities firm scouting Raytheon Aircraft Company (not Flight Options). Now, the little I know about the RLA, union to nonunion pilot group consolidation is very simple. Your wages are within 20% of the wages at NetJets, 83% on NetJets Class 1 wages to be more specific. If I were a betting man, which I am not, I would wager on securing Flight Options pilots a first contract is the primary interest at 1108. NJI as a secondary interest, with Flex & AvantAir (if there pilots pick it up a bit) tied for third. Each individual in the 1108 leadership carries specific assignments, so my guess is they are all first on someone's list.
So as long as you're happy, we're happy. Capisce?
Again, Best Regards,
CastofCharacters said:So as long as you're happy, we're happy.
FRACTRASH said:. If and when I want your product I'll call you! For now please take CS off your calling list.
Now, what can we possibly talk about besides your union! How about the wide body jet Citation got on the drawing board. Does anyone have any information on what it's going to look like.
WheresRocky said:ROFLMAO
Visions of Joan Jett or Pat Benatar when I read that. Guitar rocker with tight panties. LOLOL.
Don't know any huh? FLOPS marketing department was using the same strategy 3-4 years ago. CS added approx 40 aircraft in your 3 year span while NJA has added approx 70. It is easy to claim you are "fastest growing" when you have a small fleet.FRACTRASH said:I don't know too many fractionals that have grown more than 200% in the 3yrs I've been here.
CastofThousands said:As I understand it a group of CS pilots mailed an entire seniority and address list to 1108. It's also my understanding that there is a reasonably large group of pilots trying to get an organizing drive going at CS. I was told this group of pilots approached 1108.
Trash,FRACTRASH said:Don't you NJ pilots think that, just maybe all the big brass at CS studied what worked and didn't work at the other fractionals, so we try not to make the same mistakes. You study history so you don't repeat it. CS management doesn't want a union on the property either. So, instead of butting heads with the pilot group, they are doing everything in there power to provide a good work environment. If I recall NJ pilots have been unhappy for a long time. Management there didn't want to budge to give your pilots anything, forcing you to take more drastic measures. Even though we are doing the same job. We are talking about to completely different cultures.