Chemtrails: holiday update

[Loafman]

Why do you guys even indulge this moron? I say the next chemtrail post gets zero replies and zero views.

On another subject, does anyone know how to get neuro-poly-ehtyl-zolo-amide off your shoes? I was walking under the spray nozzle doing my preflight and stepped in some. It's like bubble gum with a carcinogenic twist.

 

[Denver130]

Quit quoting some anynomus CAL pilot.

Quit quoting some anynomus CAL pilot. -USCPILOT

The question is really this. Is the pilot reliable or not?

My answer is yes. Why?

1. He flew through the clouds.
2. He had instruments to gage it.
3. He flies to Grand Rapids often.
4. He has no reason to lie unless he "saw me comin"!
5. He is not a chemical engineer, nuclear physisist, or other intelligent person I have named already. He is a PILOT. One of your kind

If he is reliable, then there is no reason to disbelieve him.

Then we can assume that the trails in those photos

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Thanksgiving03a.html

are not at 30,000ft plus where normal jet contrails form. Therefore there is validity in what I've said.

I'm surprised that you don't believe him.

Believe it or not, you can get altitude data on the web. Since Michigan is a very cloudy state most of the year, its the perfect region to monitor chemtrails. Once you establish low altitude clouds, you have a reference point for altitiude. Once you snap a picture, you have electonic evidence. Once you go to the daily news, you can get temperature and humidity.

This really isn't very complex. This is plain scientific observation and documentation.

What is the real problem? The facts.

The facts don't bear out what you are saying. Thats why you keep looking for more.

I'm surprised one of you pilots doesn't take a note pad and evaluate the facts. You have more access to altitude, temperature and humidity than I do. All I have is the web, a camera, pilots testamonys when I can get them, a federal document listing chemtrials, a public declaration from Kucinich that they exist, thousands of electronic photos, air and water sample tests posted on the web ect.

That's all I have.

I can ignore it,
Turn a blind eye to it,
Not question pilots about it,
Not discuss it with concerned citizens,
Discount pilots testamonys,
Ignore books written about it
Look down at the ground and not at the sky.
Call my photos normal looking.

But you'd have to a rock or a bump on a log.

 

[Denver130]

Houston cloud cover

As I begin to search statistics on clouds here in Houston, I'm finding that altitude of 2,000ft is not uncommon.

I'll keep you posted.

 

[T-Gates]

Re: Quit quoting some anynomus CAL pilot.

5. He is not a chemical engineer, nuclear physisist, or other intelligent person I have named already. He is a PILOT. One of your kind

Oh, now we aren't intelligent? Well F U C K you, chemtrail douchebag. Next time I'm in GRR I will spray your family directly.

I agree with Loafman, lets forget this moron, he needs to get back on his meds.

 

[Blue Dude]

Denver,

From your own site:

On Thursday, 12/18/03 at 4:49PM
66F degrees
27% humidity in the air
Location: Highway 6 and Richmond
Houston, Texas

What is the likely hood of jet contrails in Houston with the temp and humidity above? Nill

What you don't know about meteorology is boundless. A lot of people on this site have been trying to correct such ludicrous blanket statements, but I suppose you think you're onto something and won't be dissuaded. Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that the air at altitude doesn't have the same properties as the air measured at the surface at KPRC channel 2?

You fancy yourself of a scientific mind, so apply Occam's Razor to the problem. What is more likely: that you don't have all the facts and are simply misapplying half-learned basic theory, or we're all in on a vast conspiracy to dupe the American public? All of us, who differ mightily on everything else (airlines, politics, religion, etc.) are all in agreement on some cockeyed program to poison the public? The same public that we're a part of? Our families and children? Use your head, man.

 

[ms6073]

Re: daily statistics

Let me know what you think of them.

Devner130,

You know what, I also live in Houston and yesterday despite the fact that surface temps were in the 60's by late afternoon, this was not indicative of the winds and temps aloft which will have an impact on the longevity of aircraft contrails! According to the NOAA, yesterday, the weatherstation at Elington field reported the following surface conditions:

Time Date Temp DP Humidity Winds
5 PM (22) Dec 18 68 (20) 32 (0) 30.3 (1026) NW 8
4 PM (21) Dec 18 68 (20) 32 (0) 30.3 (1026) NNW 7

Did you realize that during that time the freezing level was between an altitiude of 12,000-15,000 feet? Also, during the time period you mentioned the winds aloft (30,000 - 300mb and higher) were not very active at only 30-50 kts. as the jetstream was well North of us! An area of high pressure was also forecast to move into the area during the day yesterday which will also effect the temperature lapse rate! All of this will have effected the aircraft contrails you so carefully captured in the images you linked to!

Here is a link to the Aviation Digital Data Service, a NOAA aviation specific website that offers some very good tools for analyzing and evaluating the prevailing weather - both at the surface and aloft. Next time you want to analyze one of these contrails, why not spend a few minutes looking at the weahter conditions - both at the surface and at altitude - so that you will better understand how weather can effect the overall stability of the atmosphere.

Finally, considering that Sugarland-Hull and Westside airports are not that far away from you, have you ever considered joining the club instead of simply sitting outside the clubhouse and throwing rocks to try and get the members attention?



Michael

 

[uscpilot]

Quit quoting some anynomus CAL pilot. -USCPILOT

The question is really this. Is the pilot reliable or not?

My answer is yes. Why?

No, he is not. The only proof that I will accept is verifyable altitude of the aircraft in question (not "gee wizz that plane sure is low, what's that hes leaving behind?? ), and the wind and temp aloft forcast (not the surface conditions, they are irrelivant).
Also realize that contrails are not a function of altitude, as you have been told a number of times. They occur only under the right temp and humidity conditions. You can count on these conditions existing at very high alt (30000' or greater), but that does not mean that they can not occur at much lower altitudes.
As I have said before I have never seen a trail anywhere near 10000' or below, and all of my flight experience is in this area. Why dont you rent a plane and fly up to these low altitude trails the next time you see them?
usc

 

[JetSpeed219]

Now, I know that there are ignorant people out there, but wow. Seriously this guy is rediculous and needs some help, I almost feel sorry for him........

 

[uscpilot]

Now, I know that there are ignorant people out there, but wow. Seriously this guy is rediculous and needs some help, I almost feel sorry for him........

I know what you mean. I keep telling myself to stop participating and maybe he will go away. But every time I see on of his moronic postings I just cant help my self. I liken it to staring at an accident on the highway, you know you shouldnt look but you just cant help your self. Not the best anology I know but the best I could come up with on short notice.
usc

 

[skyking1976]

Hey Denver130...

What's your viewpoint about religion?

 

[bart]

Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy all agree that chemtrails are an evil corporate/government mind control program conducted under the auspices of the Masons and the Tri-Lateral Commission.

Anyone who doesn't think this is so, then fine, tell all the kids there is no such thing as the Easter Bunny, Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

Remember, it's for the children.

 

[414Flyer]

Re: Houston cloud cover

As I begin to search statistics on clouds here in Houston, I'm finding that altitude of 2,000ft is not uncommon.

I'll keep you posted.

You completely are unable to read or comprehend apparently.

You still dont realize its not the height of clouds being at 2000' that we doubt. So what if there were clouds at 2000'

We just dont believe that you saw these vast trails under a 2000' cloud layer.

Maybe you saw condensation trails from the wings or flaps on takeoff or landing. Or maybe you just saw nothing and your paranoia got the best of you.

 

[Northern Lights]

From Denver's website...

Whats coming out of the tail of the jet?

Answer---ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!

Look at the exhaust, and it lines up nicely with each engine!

I know I'm supposed to just stay away from this thread, but like the others, I just can't help from marveling at this nonsense.

Denver, don't you find it interesting that NOT ONE pilot on this board agrees with you?

 

[HueyPilot]

Oh boy...

I can't believe I actually clicked on the links provided, but I did anyways...and guess what!

I wasn't suprised a bit to see that the clouds Denver is screaming about being at 2,000 feet are all cirriform clouds, which are all high-altitude in nature.

Denver, when you asked the pilot what altitude the clouds were at, he probably told you where the airfield ceiling is. Did you ask him where all the cloud decks were? Did you ask him how high that cirrus deck was? Chances are, those cirriform clouds in your pictures are well into the 30-40,000 foot range.

I've been flying for some time now, and I've NEVER seen cirriform clouds down at 2,000 feet....it's impossible. Guess what? Cirriform clouds are the same things as contrails, except they are naturally formed versus induced by hot jet exhaust. So if you see cirriform clouds, you can bet you'll probably see contrails because the very same conditions that allowed the natural clouds to form will allow persisting contrails to form as well.

And your analogy that it was X degrees on the surface with Y wind is meaningless. I departed my home field the other day, where the wind was around 8-10 knots, and by the time we got to 10,000 feet we had a northwestern tailwind of about 115 knots.

 

[uscpilot]

I think that the next time denver starts one of these threads it should be hijacked, not ignored. There will always be people responding to his idiocy. The best thing would be to turn his thread into a bear, bbq, weightloss, or whos got the best avtar thread. It really doesnt matter, just annoy him so that he will leave. I admit initally these threads were fun to read and participate in, but now they are just a colossal waste of time. My 2 cents.
usc