Can anyone understand "problems" with NWA's seniority list?

[General Lee]

You can thank us for your pay raise. If we did not elect to merge with you, then you would have no raise. Plus it was NWA money that paid for it.

FACT: 330 is bigger.

Stand alone, you would have been furloughed. Fact. We have the memo. Up to 300 furloughs told to Stevens. And we can thank you for OUR PAY RAISE? You mean the current pay we have now? We haven't gotten a raise yet, like you have. You knew that, right? You know that you got a raise to COME UP to our pay, right? And, of course, you didn't specify which version. I was right about the A332 and the 764. Don't get snippy clippy, it shows that I am getting to you. Calm down.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I like the 330. Great jet. Guess what we can quit throwing poo. The arbitration is over. Now it is time for the rubber to meet the road.

17 days to go and counting....

 

[General Lee]

I never said I didn't like it. I bet we could get more eventually. They will look great in the Delta paint scheme.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

Which version? Is the A332 bigger than the 764? I don't think so. The A332 is compared to the 767-300ER, and the A333 is compared to the 764. But hey, thanks to us, you guys got your pay raised on the A330 to equal the 764. Before it paid less than our 757s. Keep repeating that in your head, along with thank you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well, I guess it depends on what makes it bigger.


767-400 A330-200
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Wingspan 170' 198'
Length 201' 193'
Height 55' 58'
Seats 246 (trans-atl) 243

Meanwhile, the 767-300ER is a physically smaller A/C and only seats 217. The A330-200 sure seems to be a lot closer to the 767-400 to me.

I've never gotten an answer from you guys about how many 400's at DAL are configured in the "trans-atlantic" configuration vs the standard config that has 285 seats.

BTW General, post BK, our A330 never paid less than your 757, and you know that. Why must you always resort to BS? Weakens your "convincing" factor tremendously.

I agree with ACL, it's all poo throwing at this point.....but if we're gonna do it, why not throw accurate poo.

 

[DTW320]

I never said I didn't like it. I bet we could get more eventually. They will look great in the Delta paint scheme.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I wouldn't bet against you on that. Rumor over here is 10 more to be announced very soon and WE know that RA loves the airplane. I agree, it will look great in the Delta paint. Let's face it, the A320 is not that great looking, but they made up for it with the 330, IMO.

 

[General Lee]

Well, I guess it depends on what makes it bigger.


767-400 A330-200
-----------------------------------
Wingspan 170' 198'
Length 201' 193'
Height 55' 58'
Seats 246 (trans-atl) 243

Meanwhile, the 767-300ER is a physically smaller A/C and only seats 217. The A330-200 sure seems to be a lot closer to the 767-400 to me.

I've never gotten an answer from you guys about how many 400's at DAL are configured in the "trans-atlantic" configuration vs the standard config that has 285 seats.

BTW General, post BK, our A330 never paid less than your 757, and you know that. Why must you always resort to BS? Weakens your "convincing" factor tremendously.

I agree with ACL, it's all poo throwing at this point.....but if we're gonna do it, why not throw accurate poo.

Looks like the 764 is larger than the A332. That was the point here. As far as slinging poo, there is no need for that, but some guys like Clippy seem to forget that so far they have gotten a pretty good deal here, and we all hope it gets better for all of us. So far you guys have seen the benefits immediately, whereas we are looking forward to our future pay raises, all during this crappy economy. You might be right about the 757 vs the A330 pay rate, but it was darn close. With such a size difference between those 2 planes, that should mean something to you. And, it also means a lot of that money Steenland was holding was thanks to your post BK contract. But, we are together now, and we need to move on. Just remember how lucky we are to be getting raises in a downturn.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I've never gotten an answer from you guys about how many 400's at DAL are configured in the "trans-atlantic" configuration vs the standard config that has 285 seats.

I think they are configuring all the 764's to trans atlantic config.

When it all comes down to it..the A330 and the 767 compliment each other with their different strengths. The 767 is one of the most comfortable planes to ride in (only 1 middle seat in each row).

Regardless, ya'll look like idiots with your "accurate poo throwing." The fact is that the 767 and A330 are transatlantic widebody aircraft and are used similarly...they each have their strengths.

Have fun bickering and trying to compare your wee-wee size until dec. 8.

 

[DTW320]

I think they are configuring all the 764's to trans atlantic config.

When it all comes down to it..the A330 and the 767 compliment each other with their different strengths. The 767 is one of the most comfortable planes to ride in (only 1 middle seat in each row).

Regardless, ya'll look like idiots with your "accurate poo throwing." The fact is that the 767 and A330 are transatlantic widebody aircraft and are used similarly...they each have their strengths.

Have fun bickering and trying to compare your wee-wee size until dec. 8.

Well, configuring all of them to the 246 seat configuration doesn't help GL's argument that the A330-200 should be considered equal to the 76300ER. With that config it will be clearer than it was before that the 330-200 is equivalent to the 76400....not the -300ER.

As for looking like an idiot, I've got to practice somewhere before 3/30/09 ........my DL uniform just came in the mail.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Go try it on and smile. Make sure to salute yourself too!

 

[DTW320]

Go try it on and smile. Make sure to salute yourself too!

Will do...BTW, is there time built-in to your min layovers for button polishing and mirror time? And does anyone have trouble getting Brasso through the TSA checkpoints?

 

[FDJ2]

Fact: The 330 is bigger.

Fact: NWA 330 pays less than a DAL 767-400.

 

[767/757]

Will do...BTW, is there time built-in to your min layovers for button polishing and mirror time? And does anyone have trouble getting Brasso through the TSA checkpoints?

You can either (1) use the new Brasso solid or (2) pre soak cotton balls with same and seal in zip bag. Spit for shoes can also be stored this way.

There is plenty of time to make sure your uniform is ready before the days preflght crew formation inspection

TIC :O)

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Will do...BTW, is there time built-in to your min layovers for button polishing and mirror time? And does anyone have trouble getting Brasso through the TSA checkpoints?

That is done when you have time. It is the profession you are representing.

Now for the shoes, you will have plenty of time to polish those on your two plus hr sits in ATL. We even have a shoe shine kit in the crew room for ya!

 

[titans10]

That is done when you have time. It is the profession you are representing.

Now for the shoes, you will have plenty of time to polish those on your two plus hr sits in ATL. We even have a shoe shine kit in the crew room for ya!

Now that is funny a shoe shine kit. (old school)

 

[clippyrip]

Fact: NWA 330 pays less than a DAL 767-400.

Not in January my man.

"Thanks NWA for electing to merge with us so we could get a pay raise and thanks for bringing the money to pay for it".

 

[michael707767]

Not in January my man.

"Thanks NWA for electing to merge with us so we could get a pay raise and thanks for bringing the money to pay for it".

January doesn't matter. Both MECs signed a document stated JCBA rates do not apply in the arbitration.

 

[clippyrip]

January doesn't matter. Both MECs signed a document stated JCBA rates do not apply in the arbitration.

I don't think DALPAs attempt at belittling the 330 will work on the arbitrators. The only people in world arguing that the 767 is bigger is you guys. It's ridiculous.

 

[General Lee]

I don't think DALPAs attempt at belittling the 330 will work on the arbitrators. The only people in world arguing that the 767 is bigger is you guys. It's ridiculous.

The 767 may be a bit smaller, but ours do missions that put your A330 to shame. Most of yours do two man crew stuff from NRT, all less than 8 hours. Sure, you have a few long ones, with SFO to NRT being the longest, but as our guys stated on the stand, you do not have a crew rest facility, and that means you can't do over 12 hours anyway (like PDX-ICN). Our "little" 767-300ER does 4 routes over 12 hours (4 pilots), and the majority of flights require 3 man crews. But hey, you seem to care "who's is bigger"----you just don't know HOW TO USE IT. That is what SHE said.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[clippyrip]

As long as you know in your heart that you and your group if full of $hit, that is fine by me. I am under no delusion that the arbitrators fell for the 767 is bigger than the 330 bs. Dec 8th will rule the day. enjoy.

 

[General Lee]

As long as you know in your heart that you and your group if full of $hit, that is fine by me. I am under no delusion that the arbitrators fell for the 767 is bigger than the 330 bs. Dec 8th will rule the day. enjoy.

YOWKS. Shysh! Come on man, relax a tad. I don't think we ever said the 767ER was bigger than the A330, rather it should be "grouped" with it (probably the A332 version) since it does somewhat similar missions, although we do more 3 man and 4 man missions. Nobody on the stand said it was BIGGER. I think the top of the heap will be the 744, 777, 742 (most will go probably soon due to the world economy), and the 764. Then the next grouping will include the A330, 787(?), and the 767/757s (for pay reasons also). Then throw in the 737NGs, A320/319s, and MD88/90s for the next group, and the DC9 in the bottom group. I am pretty sure that is how we catagorized it for the arbitrators, in a ratio type proposal. Sounds reasonable to almost everyone I bet, and I think the arbitrators may use that tool thing to plug an play some of your guys for your near term attrition complaints. We'll see I guess. In the meantime, spend some extra time pre-flighting that DC9 in Minot---and CHILL OUT.


Bye Bye--General Lee