Can anyone understand "problems" with NWA's seniority list?

[FDJ2]

Fact: The 330 is bigger.

Fact: NWA 330 pays less than a DAL 767-400.

 

[767/757]

Will do...BTW, is there time built-in to your min layovers for button polishing and mirror time? And does anyone have trouble getting Brasso through the TSA checkpoints?

You can either (1) use the new Brasso solid or (2) pre soak cotton balls with same and seal in zip bag. Spit for shoes can also be stored this way.

There is plenty of time to make sure your uniform is ready before the days preflght crew formation inspection

TIC :O)

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Will do...BTW, is there time built-in to your min layovers for button polishing and mirror time? And does anyone have trouble getting Brasso through the TSA checkpoints?

That is done when you have time. It is the profession you are representing.

Now for the shoes, you will have plenty of time to polish those on your two plus hr sits in ATL. We even have a shoe shine kit in the crew room for ya!

 

[titans10]

That is done when you have time. It is the profession you are representing.

Now for the shoes, you will have plenty of time to polish those on your two plus hr sits in ATL. We even have a shoe shine kit in the crew room for ya!

Now that is funny a shoe shine kit. (old school)

 

[clippyrip]

Fact: NWA 330 pays less than a DAL 767-400.

Not in January my man.

"Thanks NWA for electing to merge with us so we could get a pay raise and thanks for bringing the money to pay for it".

 

[michael707767]

Not in January my man.

"Thanks NWA for electing to merge with us so we could get a pay raise and thanks for bringing the money to pay for it".

January doesn't matter. Both MECs signed a document stated JCBA rates do not apply in the arbitration.

 

[clippyrip]

January doesn't matter. Both MECs signed a document stated JCBA rates do not apply in the arbitration.

I don't think DALPAs attempt at belittling the 330 will work on the arbitrators. The only people in world arguing that the 767 is bigger is you guys. It's ridiculous.

 

[General Lee]

I don't think DALPAs attempt at belittling the 330 will work on the arbitrators. The only people in world arguing that the 767 is bigger is you guys. It's ridiculous.

The 767 may be a bit smaller, but ours do missions that put your A330 to shame. Most of yours do two man crew stuff from NRT, all less than 8 hours. Sure, you have a few long ones, with SFO to NRT being the longest, but as our guys stated on the stand, you do not have a crew rest facility, and that means you can't do over 12 hours anyway (like PDX-ICN). Our "little" 767-300ER does 4 routes over 12 hours (4 pilots), and the majority of flights require 3 man crews. But hey, you seem to care "who's is bigger"----you just don't know HOW TO USE IT. That is what SHE said.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[clippyrip]

As long as you know in your heart that you and your group if full of $hit, that is fine by me. I am under no delusion that the arbitrators fell for the 767 is bigger than the 330 bs. Dec 8th will rule the day. enjoy.

 

[General Lee]

As long as you know in your heart that you and your group if full of $hit, that is fine by me. I am under no delusion that the arbitrators fell for the 767 is bigger than the 330 bs. Dec 8th will rule the day. enjoy.

YOWKS. Shysh! Come on man, relax a tad. I don't think we ever said the 767ER was bigger than the A330, rather it should be "grouped" with it (probably the A332 version) since it does somewhat similar missions, although we do more 3 man and 4 man missions. Nobody on the stand said it was BIGGER. I think the top of the heap will be the 744, 777, 742 (most will go probably soon due to the world economy), and the 764. Then the next grouping will include the A330, 787(?), and the 767/757s (for pay reasons also). Then throw in the 737NGs, A320/319s, and MD88/90s for the next group, and the DC9 in the bottom group. I am pretty sure that is how we catagorized it for the arbitrators, in a ratio type proposal. Sounds reasonable to almost everyone I bet, and I think the arbitrators may use that tool thing to plug an play some of your guys for your near term attrition complaints. We'll see I guess. In the meantime, spend some extra time pre-flighting that DC9 in Minot---and CHILL OUT.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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deleted ... just not going to step in the poo. Its everywhere!

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Listening to most of you rds, I don't understand why we even bothered with negotiations much less arbitration. What a waste of time and money. In your minds it is so cut and dried, crystal clear that your generous offer was not only extremly fair but the too fair. But that is just the generosity of the dal pilot group to promote a team spirit with us. Sarcasm off: Imho, it will be negotiated/ruled somewhere in the middle. I will accept that(even though I don't think thats fair) without whining for the next 25+ years. G.lee,puffy,fd,acl,fins will you????

YOWKS. Shysh! Come on man, relax a tad. I don't think we ever said the 767ER was bigger than the A330, rather it should be "grouped" with it (probably the A332 version) since it does somewhat similar missions, although we do more 3 man and 4 man missions. Nobody on the stand said it was BIGGER. I think the top of the heap will be the 744, 777, 742 (most will go probably soon due to the world economy), and the 764. Then the next grouping will include the A330, 787(?), and the 767/757s (for pay reasons also). Then throw in the 737NGs, A320/319s, and MD88/90s for the next group, and the DC9 in the bottom group. I am pretty sure that is how we catagorized it for the arbitrators, in a ratio type proposal. Sounds reasonable to almost everyone I bet, and I think the arbitrators may use that tool thing to plug an play some of your guys for your near term attrition complaints. We'll see I guess. In the meantime, spend some extra time pre-flighting that DC9 in Minot---and CHILL OUT.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Listening to most of you rds, I don't understand why we even bothered with negotiations much less arbitration. What a waste of time and money. In your minds it is so cut and dried, crystal clear that your generous offer was not only extremly fair but the too fair. But that is just the generosity of the dal pilot group to promote a team spirit with us. Sarcasm off: Imho, it will be negotiated/ruled somewhere in the middle. I will accept that(even though I don't think thats fair) without whining for the next 25+ years. G.lee,puffy,fd,acl,fins will you????

You can't go in the middle when you start at 10 ( on a scale from 1 to 10) and we start at a 4.5. Your DOH position is the same one USAir East had. You guys for some reason haven't seen all of the things you got with this merger, and still have your pension. It really isn't worth arguing with you, since none of you can see it anyway. I won't whine after this SLI, and I can only hope that it is fair in the end. If it is a total hose job with DOH and a dynamic list, I think I will be hiring Thomas Magnum to look at 3 bank accounts, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I think both sides want what is fair in the end. The problem is we disagree on what fair is. Hopefully the 3 wisemen will piss us all off, or better cajole our merger comms. to come up with an agreement themselves.

You can't go in the middle when you start at 10 ( on a scale from 1 to 10) and we start at a 4.5. Your DOH position is the same one USAir East had. You guys for some reason haven't seen all of the things you got with this merger, and still have your pension. It really isn't worth arguing with you, since none of you can see it anyway. I won't whine after this SLI, and I can only hope that it is fair in the end. If it is a total hose job with DOH and a dynamic list, I think I will be hiring Thomas Magnum to look at 3 bank accounts, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Fly4hire]

I think both sides want what is fair in the end. The problem is we disagree on what fair is. Hopefully the 3 wisemen will piss us all off, or better cajole our merger comms. to come up with an agreement themselves.

I don't think the DALPA merger Cmte ever wanted fair - I think they wanted to hit one out of the park, and be be carried on the shoulders of their cheering comrades for being victorious in preserving the DAL way of life of screwing merged companies to their lists advantage.

If they have convinced themselves they are being fair, it is in the form of how you "fairly" treat livestock, CMR, or other perceived lesser forms of life.

I think the arrogance of the DAL position will backfire, and they are going to be extremely disappointed in the result, however are counting on RA rejecting anything else other than their proposal as being too expensive - too bad their proposal is in fact the one that will cost DAL inc. far more.

When the arbitrated list is accepted and their entire strategy is blown, they will sue and sulk.