General Lee
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@ General Lee: I have no idea what the max range of a DL 767 is, neither do I from a NW A330.
However, I do know that it does not take over 12 hrs to go from JFK to Tel Aviv, somewhere around 10 hrs maybe? NWA does plenty of 10 -11 hr flights with the A330. So at least here the performance is still similar. How many 12hr flights does DL do with the 767? Any?
I think you are comparing apples and oranges (or red apples and peaches). You take a real flight, NWA took a fake flight that was 2 hrs more.
Maybe at NWA 13000lbs is minimum landing fuel for dispatch, No idea. If DL's number is 20.000, maybe time to adjust that and make the airline more profitable. I fly a plane that has a similar range, but a higher fuel burn, the DC10 (replaced by the 767 or A330 at many airlines). Our min dispatch landing fuel is 18000, minimum landing is 10.000. And guess what? We always land at max landing weight with minimum planned landing fuel (18000+ required reserves). Most of our flights are landing weight limited, so no room for extra fuel for ...whatever...
Maybe NWA has taken this approach from their 747 cargo operation, something DL has less experience in.
Hey I'm just on the outside looking in. And I'm a quite satisfied frequent flyer on NWA, who's sad to see the merger and fearing the DL treatment showing up soon on the NWA flights. No more unlimited wine or beer in the back, less food, smaller seat pitch and smaller seats (on the 767 compared to the A330). My boss won't buy a business class ticket, so I have to suffer in cattle car on flights that stretch the endurance limits. I wish the frequent flyer courtesy upgrades were also applicable on international flights. Off course not. It's a fringe benefit on domestic only flights, DL and NWA. A freeloading jumpseater gets better treatment than his compadre who's got a paid-for ticket and is on his way to a 20 day rotation, or dead tired going home after 20 days of working.
If someone could just do something about those F*cking entertainment system boxes under the seats of the 330 that take up ALL the space under the seat in front of you, I would be even happier. I hate them things!!!! Can't stretch my legs on those 10 hr flights!
Whatever you guys do, please don't let the service degrade to the level of
US(eless) Airways. Their cattle treatment (can't call it service) is almost criminal (cruelty to animals, euhh passengers).
It takes 10 1/2 hours from JFK to TLV. What about the return? Over 12 hours. We stated that in the testimony, that we do over 12 coming back to JFK. We have 4 pilots on those flights, because anything over 12 hours means 2 Captains and 2 FOs. Tailwinds prevail going East, right? Also, during the next few months we have added an extra Captain on the ATL to Lagos nonstop, thanks to Winter headwinds on the return to ATL. Delta and DALPA are really good at following the rules when it comes to FARs etc. Looks like NWA and their flight planners are NOT. I just want to know if they can work up a flight plan for me on the A330 from Perth to Sao Paulo? Let's see if it works? Just me and DTW320, and NWAREDTAIL as the stew. Good times.
As far as the cattlecar mentality you were talking about, that is somewhat talked about in our testimony. NWA likes to say that some of their A330s carry more total passengers compared to our 767-400s, yet we have more first class (business Elite we call it) available. If they want to jam more coach passengers back there, great. We offer more upgrades and better yeild overall with the business travellers. It's all about the same, but our planes paid more before the merger. Our 757 jobs paid about the same as their A330 back then too. But since the date of corporate closing, those guys got nice raises, and now want a lot more. The USAir East guys wanted a lot of the same.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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