AWA/ US Airways pilot seniority integration

[TWA Dude]

It is my understanding that those currently furloughed would REMAIN on furlough-status regardless of where their new seniority falls.

You are correct.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Dude, I do not work for USAir.

Settle down
I guess u bit the bait.

Marty

Dude, why don't you like shut up or something?

 

[Taco Rocket]

Keep arguing

Ornstein needs more time to get the next -900 order ready.

Divide and conquer!

 

[A350]

Why you all treat Marty so bad? He is entitled to his opinion just like you are yours. You don't have to like his position any more than he likes yours.

Just remember one thing. When the inevitable arbitration is over, you will be on the same team. I would suggest getting used to that fact.

A350

 

[Hpilot]

Hey Marty,

I'll bite. How about all those 14-18yr US Air guys that have been coming over here for the past couple years? It must have been their awesome career expectations. Ohh wait a second....doesn't it say something about career expections in the ALPA merger policy. Ohhhh, and AWA guys don't get too riled about his comments, he obviously plays for the other team.

 

[psysix]

I know a guy currently at AWA that still has his USAir seniority number. He said AWA never made him resign it. Does that mean that he can choose where to go in the final seniority list? Meaning if he'd have better seniority keeping his US number can he keep it even though he currently works for AWA?

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

I am curious to see how the integration happen. AT Delduh, we just authorized an assessment of .025% for merger committee expenses to protect and fight for us in the event of a merger.

Now I'm no genius and only had a 3.9 GPA in grad school, but, why in the heck would DALPA be funding a merger committee if (behind closed doors with KY) something was brewing?

 

[TWA Dude]

Does that mean that he can choose where to go in the final seniority list?

I'm sure this situation will be spelled out in detail but I'd presume he'll get the better number.

...why in the heck would DALPA be funding a merger committee if (behind closed doors with KY) something was brewing?

Every substantial-sized carrier should have a merger fund and a committee ready to go, brewing or not.

 

[AA717driver]

Well, for those of you ill informed. There are a few hundred pilots on furlough at US Airways that have worked there for 15 yrs and held Captain positions.

One of my best friends was a Metro Jet Capt. and this is his first furlough. Get the facts.cheers
Marty

Boo F'ing Hoo! Tell your buddy to get in line behind all of us former TWA CAPTAINS who are out on the street. When ALPA failed to stand behind the TWA pilot group the die was cast for future mergers.

USAir is in bankruptcy for the second time. The pilots have no career expectations. How mergers were done by the bankrupt USAir has no bearing on how future mergers will be done.

As for your comments about the AWA pilot group, I'd rather fly with ANY Cactus pilot (except for one...) ANY day than someone like you or 90% of the USAir pilots I've run into over the years.TC

 

[TWA Dude]

As for your comments about the AWA pilot group, I'd rather fly with ANY Cactus pilot (except for one...)

Jeepers, TC, you might as well have spelled out my name and SSN! :laugh:

 

[Falconjet]

Now there's the spirit!

FJ

 

[PositiveRate]

It was my understanding that the merger committees and/or the arbitrator will create a new list and that's it. All this other BS about slotting, fences, recalls, etc. would be handled by the JNC negotiating our new contract using the new list. The role of the arbitrator seems to be limited if this is the case...Someone please correct me, if this is not true...

The precedent of Pan Am / National and CAL / TI as well as Doug saying that he won't accept a list that puts furloughees above active pilots seems to make that issue cut and dry as well.

 

[A350]

All:

I don't think anyone who is furloughed should replace anyone who is active.....however......

I don't think that someone who has 17 years of longevity should go behind a new hire either on the total list. I also think that the total attrition for the next few years should go into the equation. A new AWA pilot shouldn't windfall to the A330 in 10 years because of U list retirements while a U pilot languishes on reserve.

It never ceases to amaze me the hatred and vitriol that can be created when discussing seniority.

As I said earlier, better get your ducks in a row because it will be over soon and you will all be playing on the same team. How that plays out in the future has more to do with your career expectations than anything else.

Happy New Year

A350

 

[m80drvr]

Hey A350
I agree the future retirements should be taken into account especially since the age 65 thing will surely pass. Then USeast brings no retirements to the table. Be carreful what you wish for.

 

[A350]

md80drvr:

Nothing changes with the age 60 rule change.....U still has massive retirements coming that should be factored in. In fact, a case could be made with the rule changing, it makes the career progression even more ominous at AWA since there are a whole lot less retirements there than at U.

BTW, I am only a casually interested observer. I have a U number, but never plan on using it again. However, I have to refrain from using the never word.

Further, I would be more worried about your management being able to execute post merger than I would be the seniority arguement.

A350

 

[MCDU]

I think the America West pilots and the US Air pilots are both a great bunch.
I wish them well and I hope things will work out for both groups. At least they are both alpa and I hope what happend to the TWA folks will not happen during this merger. TWA pilots got really screwed by AA.

Marty

 

[m80drvr]

That from the guy that called awa guys drunks and the dregs of the aviation world. LOL

350
I might have agreed with you except before the merger AWA was taking airplanes, and in fact still is. Captain upgrade was 5 to 6 years and they were growing.

Airways was in bankrupcy for the second time with no more financing alternatives, and they were still shrinking, please don't count the e170 as growth. We all know that MDA was a commuter. No offense to the MDA pilots but that's what it was.
The overlying fact is that no one knows what will happen in arbitration, I think the Airways guys are playing a dangerous game demanding DOH and that recalls be slotted above ANY AWA pilot. I think the arbitrators ruling might surprise them.
I hope they (Both merger comittees) can work this out but I don't think it will happen.

 

[Carl S.]

U gets to keep flying, yet only wants to bone AWA pilots at all costs. Retirements, if there was no merger. U would be gone or greatly shrunk again and all those old FO would still be FO's, but no!!!!! I want to go ahead of the AWA pilots because I got screwed, so I have to get them screwed or else I'm not happy. Be glad you still have a job and are able to dream about screwing other pilots and get to collect a $48,000 pension that no AWA pilot will ever see(Oh wait, I forgot about that bonus) and want some first chance at upgrading over AWA pilots who are younger.

Happy Kwanzaa!

 

[Doug Parker]

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Nevermind -

I'll be back in 6 months to talk about it...................



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[JetMonkey]

These AAA Merger committee guys must be part of the hopefully small batch of radicals over there (we have ours too). Everyone I've meet so far from the east have been great, of course I've haven't discussed integration with any of them. I don't know the names of these merger committee boys but if I ever fly with any of them I'll definitely ask "what were you guys smoking"? :nuts: