Awa Merger

[BeCareful!]

You still haven't answered my question about the furloughed AAA guys working here at AWA. It's a sizable number.

Furloughed AAA guys now working at AWA are.......um.......AWA guys. I assume they resigned their U seniority. Right?

If not, then I suppose they can exercise whatever rights that might get them. Like you and everyone else, I figure that equals about ZERO.

When I was hired at U, there were AWA guys bailing and starting over at US, because things looked much better here in 1999. Of course, all that's out the window now and you guys rightfully should get everything and anything you want. Afterall, your now at that fanancially vibrant, super west coast powerehouse, and you deseve weekends off and quick upgrades.

Happy windfall!

 

[Fly-n-hi]

No, that won't work. What about us 20 year guys who aren't furloughed? It would absolutely give AWA super seniorty. If your idea of "fair" is to put a 20 year F/O at the 70% mark at U the same relative position at the combined airline, then you need to rethink your position. I am fairly sure that an arbitrator will look at some sort of fence agreement long before your "scenerio" ever comes to pass.

Oh trust me, it will work. Like I said. You just don't like it.

What about you 20 year guys? So you've been there 20 years. Great. 20 years at U.S. Airways isn't worth a bag of crap right now. If your 20 years is so wonderful then why are you a junior FO?

I don't care how long you've been there. I just care where you sit on the seniority list. If you are in the bottom 10% of you active list then you should be in the bottom 10% of the newly combined list.

Why you think that your 20 years entitles you to automatically be senior to me baffles me. Actually it doesn't baffle me. I can see that its just pure greed.

As far as the Arbitrator is concerned, yeah, he might go for the fence idea, as long as no one tells him that your own CEO, Lakefield, said that U.S. Airways was finished without this merger. Yes...he said that.

 

[321 busdriver]

Did you read the entire post? I doubt it. If you had, you would have read that I think that a fence agreement would be fair to both airlines. NEVER did I say that I should move ahead of some 9 year AWA person. And as far as throwing us a lifeline... you either have a short memory or career or have not been with AWA long enough to know their history with reguards to their dealings with bankruptcy. Relative position is no more fair than date of hire. And to PHXFlyer... sounds good to me.

321 Busdriver,

I don't see what isn't fair about combing the active pilots using relative seniority. You work for a stagnant airline with little or no movement. You chose to stay at an airline where you are in the bottom 30%, so after a merger why should you leap ahead of the bottom third of AWA? We are a financially stronger airline offering you a lifeline and yet you think you should be senior to all of our FO's who have been here under 9 years?

 

[321 busdriver]

Will you please point out to me where I said that I should move ahead of you on the seniorty list. Again, did I not say that a fence agreement is the only fair way to both parties.. A bag of crap?... Really.. You must not have alot of confidence in your CEO then. And I never said that my 20 years is wonderful..anything but. As far as being greedy goes...Please. If this thing ever comes to pass, we can compare notes and see which way the ( I would guess ) the arbitration goes. I highly doubt that a relative position award will happen any more than it happened when U and Piedmont merged.

Oh trust me, it will work. Like I said. You just don't like it.

What about you 20 year guys? So you've been there 20 years. Great. 20 years at U.S. Airways isn't worth a bag of crap right now. If your 20 years is so wonderful then why are you a juniour FO?

I don't care how long you've been there. I just care where you sit on the seniority list. If you are in the bottom 10% of you active list then you should be in the bottom 10% of the newly combined list.

Why you think that your 20 years entitles you to automatically be senior to me baffles me. Actually it doesn't baffle me. I can see that its just pure greed.

As far as the Arbitrator is concerned, yeah, he might go for the fence idea, as long as no one tells him that your own CEO, Lakefield, said that U.S. Airways was finished without this merger. Yes...he said that.

 

[PHXFLYR]

IDIOTS.....I'm surrounded by IDIOTS!!!

Green,

I'd vote to staple AAA to the bottom

Now that is fair !

Hey"Parker"


You know, this statement just goes to show that what Southwest President Colleen Barrett said about you being on drugs was correct. Merger negotations
are going to be contentious enough without some idiot like you spouting B$
like that. Your ignorance and immaturity knows no bounds,does it?


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Financially Stronger........ I DON"T THINK SO!!

321 Busdriver,

I don't see what isn't fair about combing the active pilots using relative seniority. You work for a stagnant airline with little or no movement. You chose to stay at an airline where you are in the bottom 30%, so after a merger why should you leap ahead of the bottom third of AWA? We are a financially stronger airline offering you a lifeline and yet you think you should be senior to all of our FO's who have been here under 9 years?

Green,

I wouldn't be so quick to spout off that AWA is the stronger airline financially. Sure we made a profit last quarter, but that was because of our fuel hedge. Absent that we would have posted a $10 million dollar loss. Even though our yields and loads have increased considerably over the last several quarters I think from a financial point of view the company is just treading water, and as such we are all just 'whistling while walking past the grave yard." With that said ,I think what we ARE bringing to the merger is management "talent" (an oxymoron if I ever heard one ! ) and access to credit;both of which are in extremely short supply at USAir . But to base your argument on us being the financially stronger of the two? I don't think so...

PHXFLYR

 

[Cactus73]

Green,

I wouldn't be so quick to spout off that AWA is the stronger airline financially. Sure we made a profit last quarter, but that was because of our fuel hedge. Absent that we would have posted a $10 million dollar loss. Even though our yields and loads have increased considerably over the last several quarters I think from a financial point of view the company is just treading water, and as such we are all just 'whistling while walking past the grave yard." With that said ,I think what we ARE bringing to the merger is management "talent" (an oxymoron if I ever heard one ! ) and access to credit;both of which are in extremely short supply at USAir . But to base your argument on us being the financially stronger of the two? I don't think so...

PHXFLYR

PHXFLYR,

I think you are starting to believe Parker's (the real one) speeches lately. Just two months ago he was saying that we were no where near bankruptcy and he had plenty of access to the financial markets for cash if we got into a crunch later in the year. He clearly needs to paint a dire picture at this point in order to get the ATSB and the Court to approve his merger.

Don't write off our profit just because it was based on fuel hedges. Southwest would have lost a significant amount of money if it weren't for their fuel hedges.

I would agree that we aren't in the best of financial shape, but I don't think we are as close to bankruptcy as Parker claims.

Our cash position has actually been building over the first six months. It doesn't matter that this is happening due to fuel hedges. We have more cash than we owe on our ATSB secured loan. USAir has significantly less cash than they owe on their loan. This balance sheet difference is substantial.

Would we be bankrupt in six months? Only Parker and his team have access to the books. Let's let our investment bankers determine if he is correct or not before you buy his line.

The recent statements by Parker are so opposed to what he has said in the past that you must question his motives.

As for the Doug Parker guy on this board. He's an ass to suggest a staple or anything unfair. He's no different though than the furloughed guys on here claiming some sort of career expectation to be in the top 5% in the next 5-10 years.

We need a fair and equitable list with fences. We have to all be able to work together when the dust settles. The only way this is going to happen is if we all sit back and let our merger committee's and/or and arbitrator work out a new list.

Who knows, maybe Southwest will offer a billion of their cash up for gates and planes and scuttle the deal. PLEASE Southwest, help us!

 

[Wiskey Driver]

No, that won't work. What about us 20 year guys who aren't furloughed? It would absolutely give AWA super seniorty. If your idea of "fair" is to put a 20 year F/O at the 70% mark at U the same relative position at the combined airline, then you need to rethink your position. I am fairly sure that an arbitrator will look at some sort of fence agreement long before your "scenerio" ever comes to pass.

Ok so if you feel that relative seniority won't work what exactally would be your solution??? We all know that DOH won't work because that is nothing more than a staple of our list to the bottom of yours. So what is the grand plan???

WD.

 

[Dizel8]

How about one for one on the combined list, now the only question is, who gets the top slot, U or AWA?

 

[Draginass]

Just remember, whoevers at the bottom of the list is going to be gone, gone, gone. There's not nearly enough money nor time won't fix the decay at U.

 

[PHXFLYR]

PHXFLYR,

I think you are starting to believe Parker's (the real one) speeches lately. Just two months ago he was saying that we were no where near bankruptcy and he had plenty of access to the financial markets for cash if we got into a crunch later in the year. He clearly needs to paint a dire picture at this point in order to get the ATSB and the Court to approve his merger.

Don't write off our profit just because it was based on fuel hedges. Southwest would have lost a significant amount of money if it weren't for their fuel hedges.

I would agree that we aren't in the best of financial shape, but I don't think we are as close to bankruptcy as Parker claims.

Our cash position has actually been building over the first six months. It doesn't matter that this is happening due to fuel hedges. We have more cash than we owe on our ATSB secured loan. USAir has significantly less cash than they owe on their loan. This balance sheet difference is substantial.

Would we be bankrupt in six months? Only Parker and his team have access to the books. Let's let our investment bankers determine if he is correct or not before you buy his line.

The recent statements by Parker are so opposed to what he has said in the past that you must question his motives.

As for the Doug Parker guy on this board. He's an ass to suggest a staple or anything unfair. He's no different though than the furloughed guys on here claiming some sort of career expectation to be in the top 5% in the next 5-10 years.

We need a fair and equitable list with fences. We have to all be able to work together when the dust settles. The only way this is going to happen is if we all sit back and let our merger committee's and/or and arbitrator work out a new list.

Who knows, maybe Southwest will offer a billion of their cash up for gates and planes and scuttle the deal. PLEASE Southwest, help us!

No I'm not. I've been here for 8 years now and I just can't help but wonder why we haven't been profitable on a consistent basis. I mean these people don't pay the going rate for anything, be it employees,infrastructure,aircraft leases, heavy checks,facilities, etc. You would think that would translate into boo-koo bottom line over and over,but it never really did. I really think this thing is structured alot like TWA was in the 50's and early 60's where it was all owned by Howard Hughes. Only our "Howard Hughes" was David Bonderman and his cronies at TPG who sunk just enough money in this thing over the years to keep it "above the water mark". Now he is using this merger to cut his losses and run. You know, I'm reaching the point whereI don't give a damm where I end up on the senority list. Just watching these USAir folks getting used to the AWA of doing business might be worth the aggravation and heartbreak in sheer "entertainment value" alone .

PHXFLYR

 

[nitrogen]

Oops

Don't ever speak the truth here. You'll get censored then banned. But I see some people are waking up to the reality of this situation which is good.

I'm sure I'll get suspended again for speaking the truth. That's not allowed here. Only handholding and Kumbaya singing. Thats how this facist board works. If they don't like what you say, boom.

Thank God we don't live in a country that operates that way. The moderators of this board are a joke and should be censored themselves. Sadly free speech doesn't count here. Pathetic.

UAL78, you and your company are a joke. Fortunately, neither of you will be around much longer. Typical UAL lemming attitude that got you to this point to begin with. Say hello to Texas Investors. They're about to rock your world. And boy do you deserve it.

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Post hijacked for my reply to this "gentleman"

Hello, my hot-headed friend. It's UAL78, one of the jokes of FlightInfo.com. It's said that perception is reality. It must be quite a world through your eyes. I wonder which of the low-lifes that I permanently banned that you've morphed into? I ban posters who cross the line of propriety or simply can't disagree without being disagreeable. I don't ban people who believe they speak the truth unless it becomes potentially legally perilous to the owner of the Board or for the two reasons discussed above.

So I'll let your rant and perception of me stand. I really couldn't care less what you think of me or my airline. Judging by your demeanor and your philosophy, you're simply not worth the time or effort.

By the way, what were the dates of your two UAL interviews where you were turned down? Now, run along and don't forget to add some O2 to the mix. It sounds like you're in serious need of some professional help.

Post away, junior- just abide by the rules.

UAL78

Just remember, whoevers at the bottom of the list is going to be gone, gone, gone. There's not nearly enough money nor time won't fix the decay at U.

 

[Filkster]

Just watching these USAir folks getting used to the AWA of doing business might be worth the aggravation and heartbreak in sheer "entertainment value" alone .

PHXFLYR

No problem, the advance team for this has been doing J4J at Mesa for a couple years. They are up on all the latest.

RF

 

[TWA Dude]

Nitro: you violated your by-line "no crying while posting".

 

[Dangerkitty]

Thank God I am watching this from the sidelines! I am starting to have AA/TWA seniority list integration talk flashbacks.

Why dont all you guys call Senator Kit Bond of Missouri? He has been so concerned about the "fair and equitable" integrations of seniority lists in the past that I am sure he will go to bat for you guys in the Senate with this merger.

Note to anyone reading the above statement. That was my pathetic attempt at sarcasm. Just trying to lighten up the mood around here. Good luck.