avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

[hangarrat]

bruno, what straight line? i saw pictures indicate the aircraft went from centerline to 3/4 far left then corrects right nearly to centerline then left again.
look, i'm not here to argue. the stories on this site all over the place on details. from it was a gear up landing to a taxi in accident. if u want to work yourself up into a frenzy, thats your choice, but try to get some factual data.
i fly it, i like it, i think the brakes are great when used correctly. If u wanna blame the equipment, go ahead. whatever...

 

[Flybet3]

wrongfully let go? i'm not so sure. when i went through pie, i got to see the pictures, diagrams and reports about the landing event. word is that the feds and ntsb are leaning heavily toward pilot error due to the abundance of evidence to indicate so. the pictures and diagrams will end up as a training scenerio to help train others on how to avoid similar mistakes.

I smell a RAT!!

 

[Bruno06]

I smell a rat too!!!!!
Hangarat I am in no frenzy, I don't understand where you are getting your facts from, have you been speaking to the FAA/NTSB??? I thought not!
You and Avantair have already decided what happened.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

I smell a rat too!!!!!

You and Avantair have already decided what happened.

Wisely spoken. There's been cases where a tire has blown and the wheel was ground down till half of it was gone, and the gear didn't collapse. Don't forget, this airplane sat in the hangar as a parts airplane for a long time, not to mention got beat to death as a trainer.

Anything CM or TC says should be discounted. If management told them that the pilots tried to fly this thing to the moon on one tank of fuel, they would both believe it and pass it on as fact.

Pilots do make mistakes, BUT, with this companies' track record, it's very unlikely that this is due to anything but crappy maintenance.

 

[Flybet3]

Wisely spoken. There's been cases where a tire has blown and the wheel was ground down till half of it was gone, and the gear didn't collapse. Don't forget, this airplane sat in the hangar as a parts airplane for a long time, not to mention got beat to death as a trainer.

Anything CM or TC says should be discounted. If management told them that the pilots tried to fly this thing to the moon on one tank of fuel, they would both believe it and pass it on as fact.

Pilots do make mistakes, BUT, with this companies' track record, it's very unlikely that this is due to anything but crappy maintenance.

The funny part is that the ones that always side with Management and blame the pilots as well always have no more than 10 posts....hmmmm, interesting. New identities everytime. But as well all know! FU**ING PILOTS! it's always the FU**ING PILOTS!!

 

[oneeye_169]

wrongfully let go? i'm not so sure. when i went through pie, i got to see the pictures, diagrams and reports about the landing event. word is that the feds and ntsb are leaning heavily toward pilot error due to the abundance of evidence to indicate so. the pictures and diagrams will end up as a training scenerio to help train others on how to avoid similar mistakes.

After reading your two posts i almosted vomited. what flavor do you prefer? Grape or cherry? keep drinking it up buddy. i don't care what pictures you saw, or what you saw on them....it doesn't matter. two pilots were fired before the facts were all in play. no faa report, no ntsb report. it's that simple. Even if somehow the reports state, "pilot error"......the pilots still shouldn't have been disciplined until those reports came out. too bad we lost two pilots who hopefully would have backed a union, and instead have to keep a kool aid drinker like yourself. this must be your first company, and of course i'm sure your an aviation stud who something like this could never happen too. oh yeah, and just as a reminder, this isn't the only reason we need a union.

 

[oneeye_169]

hangarrat,

after reading your other posts i realize that you are definitley some form of A** kisser or contain one of the A**es that gets kissed. just wait until you find out the hard way that you wasted your time sniffin' brown for nothing.

 

[Rally]

Somebody PM with initials, I want to see if it was a old buddy of mine I can't get hold of. :-(

 

[Rally]

Is it common to be let go due to pilot error? I mean both of them after all, they were'nt both on the controls, and it was'nt like weather or something contributed. I can understand if they were landing a 50 knt x-wind and lost it and the FO did'nt talk the cap to diverting or something. But really guys there is only one person on the controls. I can see letting the cap go if it was a problem of not taking control back from the FO or something.

Interesting.

 

[Bruno06]

hangarrat,

after reading your other posts i realize that you are definitley some form of A** kisser or contain one of the A**es that gets kissed. just wait until you find out the hard way that you wasted your time sniffin' brown for nothing.

LOL....you're absolutely right oneeye!

 

[WTF]

I have talked to the captain many times on this issue. There is def a cover up going on and hangrrat may well be part of it. They have too much to lose, all their eggs are in one basket. What do you think would happen if a flaw came out with the Pistachio. Clients would head for the doors and these crooks would be left holding the responsability for a failed company and all the problems would come to light. Give these 2 guys a break. The next incident is around the corner and hopefully it is not you.

 

[oneeye_169]

I will give mgmt this. They are trying. however they don't always know what they are doing. they don't know how to handle certain things. they don't think far enough ahead to see how their decisions will affect others. who pays for their mistakes and wrong decisions. the pilots. i don't think i should suffer because they suck at what they are paid to do. if i sucked at what i was paid for...i would be fired... or forced to resign (which i wouldn't do) if the gear just collapsed on me. unfortunately, we have to protect ourselves from people who can adversly affect our lives and the lives of our family's based off their mistakes. i'm not going to take the blame to make their lives easier. they are paid more to work harder, longer, and to carry the weight of the company's problems on their shoulders......they are not paid more to pass it off on two pilots or any future pilots who find themselves in similar situations. my life and the security of my family's livelihood is more important to me than the manager's image. if some of the current mgmt can't handle and manage properly, their responsibilites, then too bad. Step down or step up. i'll protect my a** with a union either way. why, because i see how just a few people and their quick knee jerk decisions can change a family's life. but if you do step up, and do what is right, then at least you can be respected. legitimate respect. not respect established by fear.


one more thing....what the hell happened to p180puke....he started this thread.

 

[Noodles]

For any person that has worked for Avantair for some time, are you really surprised this was the way this situation was handled? The CP and DO were two of the worst at their jobs that I have ever worked with. Anything that went wrong was always the pilots fault.

I've heard talk that upper management is now worried their rash actions will lead to an exodus of pilots. For the smart pilot, it will....

 

[oneeye_169]

I've heard talk that upper management is now worried their rash actions will lead to an exodus of pilots. For the smart pilot, it will....

southwest did just lower their minimums

 

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[B19 Flyer]

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Before you consider a union, remember this:

Take the most staunch union supporter and make him a Chief Pilot.

See how long his union supports him, and he his union.

 

[HA25]

Before you consider a union, remember this:

Take the most staunch union supporter and make him a Chief Pilot.

See how long his union supports him, and he his union.

happens all the time, and twice in my short career... no problems at all. Our current CP is well liked by the union, and the last operation I worked at same.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Before you consider a union, remember this:

Take the most staunch union supporter and make him a Chief Pilot.

See how long his union supports him, and he his union.

Shut up. Everyone knows who you are. Go back to lying and ruining people's lives. We know it's just a game for you.

 

[Bruno06]

Before you consider a union, remember this:

Take the most staunch union supporter and make him a Chief Pilot.

See how long his union supports him, and he his union.

So many management on this site.....and you think you're pretty inconspicuous. Idiots!! A union is probably the only way to retain some of the pilots Avantair has. Most I speak to are looking for other jobs.
The chief pilot's a waste of space, he's so far up management's ass it would take him weeks to get out and do something decent like support and back the pilots! If Avantair doesn't get a union it'll be a lonely place if anything goes wrong. Don't fly out of limitations...work to rule!

 

[B19 Flyer]

So many management on this site.....and you think you're pretty inconspicuous. Idiots!!

Not managment.. (not even Avantair)

Just somebody that has been there, done that and wants to protect my many friends there by reminding them to be careful what they ask for.