avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

[Flybet3]

What the hell is going on here.....is this some kind of competition to see who can make the most smart, ambiguous or ridiculous comment!!!!????
If Avantair want to retain any respect from their pilots they should admit defeat with the union war. If they are the decent company they claim to be, they would want the best for the pilots, unfortunately they evidently don't. Don't you understand B-19....everyone is either pissed off or feels very insecure about their future at Avantair.
The problem is that as soon as the union instigator is discovered they will be terminated......Avantair has fired many who step out of line.
At the moment there is nowhere for pilots to turn when management make knee-jerk decisions. They have proved time and time again they cannot be trusted.
Although it seems Avantair are pretty consistent with their "It's ok, just do it this time" attitude, rest assured they will leave you in the sh*tter when something goes wrong.

good post

 

[B19 Flyer]

What the hell is going on here.....is this some kind of competition to see who can make the most smart, ambiguous or ridiculous comment!!!!????
If Avantair want to retain any respect from their pilots they should admit defeat with the union war. If they are the decent company they claim to be, they would want the best for the pilots, unfortunately they evidently don't. Don't you understand B-19....everyone is either pissed off or feels very insecure about their future at Avantair.
The problem is that as soon as the union instigator is discovered they will be terminated......Avantair has fired many who step out of line.
At the moment there is nowhere for pilots to turn when management make knee-jerk decisions. They have proved time and time again they cannot be trusted.
Although it seems Avantair are pretty consistent with their "It's ok, just do it this time" attitude, rest assured they will leave you in the sh*tter when something goes wrong.

Wait a minute, what do you mean if Avantair wants to retain any respect from their pilots? How about the tiny group of pilots that are vocally asking for the union respecting what Avantair has done for them? The threat of a union is perhaps the greatest way to earn disrespect from management in any company. Is the pay not good enough? Is the schedule not good enough? Not enough reward points from hotels and flights? Not enough per diem? Should management ignore privacy concerns every time a pilot is disciplined to avoid the beginning of a rumor mill? Yep, that's the answer, public hanging. I forgot, when the union agrees with the company and a pilot is fired they are the utmost of integrity so it's OK and the entire union membership agrees and rumors never happen. (Oops, sillly me) Or is it that certain pilots think that they can run the company better than them? If so, then they should step up to the plate and make efforts to become involved rather than hide behind the skirts of a union. A union is never the answer, and to echo what I've said before, be careful what you ask for!

 

[Crobar]

"...There are those who balk at the fight. They place their confidence in management instead of their fellow workers.

Management feeds on this weakness by handing out PROMISES like candy and quickly renegging if the workers lose the election.

But Management MUST be held Accountable.

As Teamsters we fight for what's right for working families.​

-- James P Hoffa --​

For B19, think you missed this.

 

[dime line]

No, I don't think that B19 missed the point, he is waiting for management to lead him thru life

 

[BoeingBaller]

What the fk don't you like about union representation?

Do you like working for peanuts???? With no work rules??

Do you even understand what a labor union is?

It's workers uniting as ONE and standing up to management and fighting for what is right!!!!!!!!!!!!

..........

 

[PilotChapin]

No, I don't think that B19 missed the point, he is waiting for management to lead him thru life

Well either way, management is about to feel a big hit. I know a good number of Pilots at avant, and they are all about to leave. And by "about to leave" I mean, that a couple of them are interviewing elsewhere, others are just waiting for the final call and others are border line just about to quit. I can only imagine what that's going to do avants image and pocket when they lose a few more pilots this month. Well fellas it looks like your 7 on 7 off might not last much longer. This company instead of moving forward is moving backwards. And NO these are not the so called "growing pains".

 

[B19 Flyer]

What the fk don't you like about union representation?

Do you like working for peanuts???? With no work rules??

Do you even understand what a labor union is?

It's workers uniting as ONE and standing up to management and fighting for what is right!!!!!!!!!!!!

From CLOSE friends I have personally witnessed: One divorce (3 children involved), One bankruptcy (two children involved), One suicide (two children involved) I have personally been laid off twice as a non-flying pilot in management positions (two children involved). That won't happen any longer, because I refuse to work for a union carrier which GUARANTEES me my job security. BTW, the divorce and bankruptcy were pilots with over 5 years of seniority that were on the lower third of the seniority list while the union protected the top two thirds. All as a direct result of union activity that would have never happened if the carrier was non-union. I've seen more furloughs and layoffs of both flying and non-flying employees because of union activity than I ever have in a non-union carrier. So, if you want to know why there is a clear disdain for unions, over twenty years of experience as a flying pilot and in management tells me that it's not the way to go. I'm no longer in management and I'm not with Avantair but I have friends there and I always say, be careful what you ask for. I could never make the money I make now with a union carrier because the resources would not be there because they would be sucked up by the union.
And for those others that think that I "Don't get it?" Go to a friend's funeral sometime because he got laid off as a direct result of a union activity and couldn't pay his bills. See if you walk away with the same opinion after. Be careful what you ask for. I don't believe if a union gets it's grips on Avantair that the carrier can survive. It's too young and the financials just aren't there. Bring a union on the property and put everybody out of work. That's the way to solidarity.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

From CLOSE friends I have personally witnessed: One divorce (3 children involved), One bankruptcy (two children involved), One suicide (two children involved) I have personally been laid off twice as a non-flying pilot in management positions (two children involved). That won't happen any longer, because I refuse to work for a union carrier which GUARANTEES me my job security. BTW, the divorce and bankruptcy were pilots with over 5 years of seniority that were on the lower third of the seniority list while the union protected the top two thirds. All as a direct result of union activity that would have never happened if the carrier was non-union. I've seen more furloughs and layoffs of both flying and non-flying employees because of union activity than I ever have in a non-union carrier. So, if you want to know why there is a clear disdain for unions, over twenty years of experience as a flying pilot and in management tells me that it's not the way to go. I'm no longer in management and I'm not with Avantair but I have friends there and I always say, be careful what you ask for. I could never make the money I make now with a union carrier because the resources would not be there because they would be sucked up by the union.
And for those others that think that I "Don't get it?" Go to a friend's funeral sometime because he got laid off as a direct result of a union activity and couldn't pay his bills. See if you walk away with the same opinion after. Be careful what you ask for. I don't believe if a union gets it's grips on Avantair that the carrier can survive. It's too young and the financials just aren't there. Bring a union on the property and put everybody out of work. That's the way to solidarity.

Haven't you figured out that everyone knows who you are and are laughing at you? " I'm not with Avantair, but I have friends there." That's your quote. We know it's a lie. What you should do is go into your office in St. Pete, close the door, and figure out how to keep your pilots, and in turn keep your company from going bankrupt. Instead, you come on here, and pretend to be someone else, and make a bigger a$$ out of yourself than you already are. Wherever people see you, they shake your hand, and act like you are their friend, but they're thinking "What a tool."

 

[Diesel]

hmmmmm talk about FUD.

Join a union and you're going to end up putting a bullet in your mouth.

Really? Do people actually believe this stuff?

 

[DO-82 driver]

B19 just illustrates how desperate their management truely is.